Posted on 03/30/2017 6:57:15 AM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist
"The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don't get on the team, & fast. We must fight them, & Dems, in 2018!" - Donald Trump
During the campaign, Trump said that the criminal aliens would be the first priority along with border security. He also said that immigration laws would be enforced. As long as Trump has Jeff Sessions as AG and Kris Kobach as an advisor on immigration issues, I remain confident that Trump will do what he has said recognizing the logistics involved and what is possible. Attrition thru enforcement is the way to go. It is not a binary choice between a blanket amnesty or mass deportation.
Since then it is only those who have been convicted of other crimes that have to go and DACA is still operating as if it were law and not something Obama dreamed up.
Trump is correct to direct his priorities and resources to get rid of the criminal aliens and their sanctuary cities. DACA is a different animal. It was promulgated thru an unconstitutional executive order that very few Reps challenged. In fact, Eric Cantor was in the process of introducing a Rep "Dreamer Bill," and was running around the country with Gutierrez. Fortunately, Dave Brat ousted Cantor in the primary, something I had a part in. This setback the GOPe plan to support an amnesty.
DACA has legalized 800,000 "Dreamers," which makes it difficult to unravel without paying a major political cost. DACA enjoys significant popular support with some polls having it above 50%. The Dems and the MSM have been successful in portraying this as the case of children being brought here by their illegal alien parents and raised as Americans. Sending them back to their home countries is deemed as punishing the children for the sins of the parents. The facts are quite different starting with the actual Executive Order that does not mention the parents at all or how the children got here. They just have to get here and they can be up to age 15. We have had a flood of unaccompanied children, most of them male teenagers with many being over 15, but we have no real way of verifying their ages. The bottom line is that DACA must be addressed at some point, just not now. There are various solutions how to do it, but first we must cut off the supply.
One further note, Obama ordered that the parents of Dreamers not be pursued or removed as long as they were not criminally active. It just gave incentives for more parents to come here illegally knowing that their children provided them protection from deportation.
Are you going to be behind amnesty if Trump says so?
I don't support amnesty. When you reward something, you get more of it. It is important to remember that over 60% of the green cards awarded annually come from change of status. It is done on an individual basis. Many of the recipients came here illegally or legally and overstayed their visas. We have a rolling amnesty now. And there are over 1 million absconders who have gone thru the entire legal process and ordered deported. They are running around the country, many of them criminals who have served their time in US prisons and then released.
Despite being in office for just a few months, Trump has been the best President we have had on immigration since Eisenhower. Both Bush 41 and 43 were disasters and Nixon was not much better. Reagan made a serious mistake in 1986 with his "one-time" amnesty. Ed Meese said it was Reagan's biggest mistake while President.
He then thought that he had their votes on healthcare.
The Freedom Caucus then unilaterally changed their requirements without asking or informing Trump and voted against the bill.
That is why one of the founding members left the Freedom Caucus.
They didn't keep their word."
Your information is wrong, and Poe is lying. No goalposts were ever moved. They insisted all along that their policy was complete repeal of all Obamacare Regulations, all of them. They never got that. Trump did peal off a few by making concessions, but their position never changed, nor did they get their conditions met. No goalposts were moved.
The HFC took a vote early on, and 80%+ agreed that they would insist on every Obamacare regulation repealed. They did not get that.
BTW, one of the members--Mo Brooks--filed a bill to completely repeal obamacare as of December 31, 2017. It's called, "Obamacare Repeal Act." Did you call your rep and ask him/her to co-sponsor that bill? And sign the discharge petition?
To all the rest: I am sick of the fake news on the HFC, and the hypocrisy of freepers. Call your rep to get a complete repeal--the bill is there--or stfu.
I’m probably a good template for a Trump voter. I have never had any party affiliation, and the last presidential candidate from a major party who got my vote was GWB in 2000. And I say the AHCA was not a good bill for him to push on its merits. There may have been other reasons for him to do it, but on its face it was a political landline.
Right dude. Only 15 people care. lol
Your post is #352 in about an hour.
Alright thanks for responding.
As I suspected, the preexisting ban was not in consideration and truly no conservative can support that and still call any repeal an actual “repeal”. The preexisting ban is the very heart of Obamacare anything less is just the same socialist crap.
It’s as I predicted months ago, Trump would never substantively repeal Obamacare.
I think it was FreeReign who pointed out upthread that the FC were only given a few weeks to compare what Ryan proposed as “repeal” to the actual ACA law, and that’s why they kept coming back with more demands (because the ACA is so complex that it’s quite believable to say “we just discovered something else wrong that needs to go”). The ACA was over 20,000 pages it’s unreasonable to demand that every demand be discovered in the first comparison of the two.
If you’re in such an inner circle you need to tell Trump (or someone close to him to tell him) to quit listening to his son-in-law and Ryan and coalesce around the FC and other conservatives in Congress. Because his son-in-law didn’t get him elected the people who voted for conservative members in Congress did.
I'm beginning to see there isn't much difference
Read some of the article. This sentence stopped me in my tracks:
“If p = 1.0 then it is always cheaper to simply pay cash because [cost(operation of the insurance company)] is never zero.”
Beside the point. I might be able to get an expensive drug cheaper without an insurance company in the middle, but if I need it I can’t pay for it regardless of overhead. So I get insurance.
Sure. Because he's totally out of the loop. And apparently can't read, either. Just a motormouth figurehead, huh? Which begs the question, who is pulling his puppet strings?
I thought Bannon was there to keep Trump true to his words
Sorry — a political LANDMINE.
Pure bullshit on your part. Let’s see you back that up with facts. Here is one: My guy, Ron Desantis, founding member of HFC, was publicly pro-Trump and still is.
(Or was, anyway, until today—not sure now after Trump’s major F-up)
Lots of people were for someone else until the primary. So let’s see you back up your BS—who in the HFC were never Trump after the primary?
BS. DeSantis was my rep. He was running for Senate last year and was irritatingly tip toeing through the tulips regarding Trump. Was certainly not strongly supporting Trump.
I have now been coerced (forced against my will) to continue to support Planned Parenthood and swallow the fact that O’care is the law of the land “for the foreseeable future”....all because the FC wanted me to die, along with them, on the hill of their choice.
As I suspected, the preexisting ban was not in consideration and truly no conservative can support that and still call any repeal an actual “repeal”. The preexisting ban is the very heart of Obamacare anything less is just the same socialist crap.
Here’s the problem right here. The prexisting coverage is literally the most popular component of kenyancare. It’s not going anywhere. Period. You need to stop day dreaming and support POTUS’s effort to get a compromise bill and govern. The alternative is conservatives get NOTHING. Understand?
Politics is the art of possible.
Other than immigration, Trump is basically a “Wall St Journal conservative.” He always was.
If Trump goes after Dave Brat, he becomes my political opponent, his choice.
FC represents itself. They supported Lyin Ryan for speaker. They have no cred with me.
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So. You don’t like the FC. You don’t like Ryan.
So who do you like in this healthcare fight?
Can’t be Trump. Cause he supports Lyin Ryan.
Can’t be RINO’s and the GOP-e can it?
Maybe the dems and the original ObamaCare now in place?
I guess you’re in the Repeal Only crowd.
Good luck with that.
Which is exactly why I predicted months ago that Obamacare would never be truly repealed.
Let me be clear I agree with you: despite the Trump Train’s promises to the contrary back during the election I was NEVER fooled into believing Obamacare would be repealed. That’s not why I voted for him I voted for him to stop the Beast. Period.
So you and all the Trump fans can enjoy your Trumpcare Obamacare lite. I don’t care. Just don’t try to tell me or any true conservative NOW that he has any desire to really be a true conservative. Like you were during the primaries and the general. Not going to fool me ever.
And now, even some on FR are beginning to wake up to the ruse. Unfortunately it’s too late now.
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