Posted on 03/27/2017 12:52:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
"Prior to this year, the House voted to repeal Obamacare more than 50 times ---when it was clear that President Obama would veto the bill. The problem we are facing is that some of the people who voted for repeal 50 times will not vote for repeal when it counts, when it is "our moment in time," with Republicans in control of Congress and the presidency." --Rep Dave Brat
"This has been my complaint since before Obamacare became law. Nothing I’ve seen addresses the problem of increased costs of medical care. All these bills just shift the rising costs from the users to the taxpayers. The system can’t work if healthcare costs continue to rise at a rate that’s faster than household income." --mbynack
Costs go through the roof when the government unconstitutionally mandates that everyone MUST be covered and must be covered for all kinds of crap they don’t need or want and regardless of preexisting conditions or whether they can pay for it or even if they are not citizens. Tyranny is expensive.
To our Republican Representatives:
Repeal 100% of Obamacare and replace with free enterprise/free market solutions per the U.S. Constitution!
Nothing else is acceptable or workable. Socialism, communism, fascism, central planning, etc, is totalitarianism and never works!! Our federal government and our constitutional republic was not designed to be and was never intended to be a welfare state! Our Constitution was designed to prevent all this TYRANNICAL crap!
We rebelled against a tyrannical king for a lot less than this!
No excuses. If the house or senate rules are obstacles to repeal with a simple majority vote or within reconciliation rules (or whatever), then change the damned rules already so you can repeal this unconstitutional piece of socialist crap with the simple majorities you hold in both chambers! The constitution gives YOU the majority, the power to do that.
The congress and the chief executive have just as much power, authority and responsibility as the SCOTUS (and perhaps even more so) to ensure that the Constitution is upheld! Do whatever it takes to fulfill your constitutional DUTY!
We voted in Republican majorities and a Republican president specifically so you can do this REPEAL deal, ON DAY ONE!
Just shut up the ridiculous whining, hand wringing and squabbling and quit trying to pass additional or watered down but still tyrannical unconstitutional bills and just get the clean repeal DONE as you PLEDGED to your constituents and is your sworn constitutional DUTY!!
For crying out loud are you the elected representatives of the free citizens of a free market constitutional republic or are WE the captive subjects of a tyrannical USSR style communist government with a centrally planned economy?
To all:
Does the constitution even matter to you people anymore?
Does the Republic matter?
Does Liberty matter?
Does a free market economy matter?
Our constitutionally limited government was not intended to take care of us from cradle to grave.
It’s NOT their job!!
Conservatives and the Freedom Caucus are not our enemies. The big government globalist establishment is!
And if we go along with it trying for a free lunch, we are. The government does not owe us health care or health care insurance. It’s NOT a God-given right! Nor is it a constitutional power for the federal government. It's reserved to the states and the people!
Wake the hell up, people, it’s a lot later than you think.
Ditto what you said!
Double Dog Ditto.
As has been noted, those alleged votes for repeal were not for repeal. They were partial. I earlier posted material from the house.gov site with a collection of articles about the Jan 2016 vote in the House, following the Dec 2015 vote in the Senate under Reconciliation. The one from the Washington Examiner, a conservative paper, made it clear.
Those votes were for partial repeal. The phrasing was “measures that would defund parts of Obamacare and Planned Parenthood”. This is not full repeal. The text remained. Funding was merely set to zero. Not all that different from Ryan’s bill.
I could not agree more!
No tricks. We want full repeal!
That’s not what they were saying. I remember Mark Levin also saying that they wouldn’t attach it to major legislation when they did fake repeals.
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Agree Jim!
I’ll guarantee Trump had NO idea what was in Ryancare...No idea at all! He just wanted that sh*t sandwich passed! Then he has the audacity to come out against the Freedom Caucus! These were your promises President Trump, Not the Freedom Caucus!
Sorry, but I’m not seeing 4-D Chess, Art of the Deal, or any other strategy for Trump to do what he did with Ryancare! He is beginning to cause fractures in the base!
The ballyhooed votes were not for full repeal. They serve as no precedent. The House and Senate did not vote for full repeal in the past. So there is no precedent to be cited in those votes.
Take what you can get, or in just a few weeks you’ll find yourself voting for a Continuing Resolution that HAS to pass, and has Obamacare funding in it, including funding for illegals. That’s what a CR is, continuation of what is presently in place.
If the FC votes for that, and they must, they are hypocrites.
Trump was dealt a weak hand with Ryan and McConnell. He needs leadership in congress ready to rumble, not ready to mumble and stumble.
Full repeal!!!
Ann Barnhardt had some insightful words this morning:
“These psychopathic fools have no intention of ever undoing Obamacare – only making it worse. The problem with healthcare in the U.S. is the fact that felony price-fixing and felony anti-competitive practices are not only overlooked, but fully supported by your kleptocratic oligarchy. The insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies, in particular, engage in price-fixing, price gauging and collusion so severe that it is literally a capital-level crime against humanity. The solution to the healthcare mess is to make non-catastrophic insurance ILLEGAL, and enforce US Code 15, Chapter 1. Quoting Denninger now:
““You need just one simple requirement to be enforced against every medical provider of any kind: Everyone must post a price and everyone pays the same price; any sort of hiding, collusion, cost-shifting or similar is met with indictments, prosecution and prison for consumer fraud and racketeering along with violations of the Sherman, Clayton and Robinson-Patman acts.”
“Prices for all healthcare and healthcare commodities would immediately fall an average of 90%, maybe more, within a matter of months, and maybe weeks. Do you understand that this means that health insurance would be UNNECESSARY, just as it has been for the entire history of the world up until just a few short years ago? Has this thought never occurred to you? How could something go from being completely unnecessary and even illegal, to “necessary”, required by “law”, and being a larger cost than most people’s rent or mortgage payment? Doesn’t this seem very, very, very wrong? Of course. It is one of the biggest scams in monetary terms ever executed, and as you all have just witnessed, none of the psychopaths in your kleptocracy has any intention of doing anything about it except to grow it and protect it.
“But, but, but… the quality and sophistication of care and technology justifies the increase in price, you say?
“Three words:
“LASIK Vision Correction.
“Free market, not covered by insurance, all prices posted and advertised.
“MASSIVE price deflation with simultaneous technological advancement.
“It’s down to $250 per eye now, I see. 20 years ago it was $5000 per eye. I’m no math genius, but that appears to be a 95% reduction.
“This would be exactly the case with heart bypass, cancer treatments, childbirth, and pretty much everything else. EVERYTHING. Except for the collusion, price fixing and price gauging that the current healthcare racket is built upon. Almost everyone could pay cash for their own healthcare expenses, and the indigent poor could be easily covered by, oh, I dunno… THE CHURCH (imagine that!!) and other secular charitable groups.”
http://www.barnhardt.biz/2017/03/25/back-to-work/
But here's the thing. The idea that Obamacare is the law of the land for good is a myth. This law will collapse under its own weight, or it will be repealed. Because all those rules and procedures Senate Democrats have used to block us from doing this? That's all history," he added. "We have now shown that there is a clear path to repealing Obamacare without 60 votes in the Senate. So, next year, if we're sending this bill to a Republican president, it will get signed into law." -linky
Bravo sir!
I and others have been trying to express some of the same concepts here up until now, but nowhere near as clearly and eloquently as you have said it.
My question is, instead of rushing through that crap sandwich AHCA bill, why did they not take the time - months if needed - to go straight to the people and explain the stakes. Government-run healthcare is a disaster! Insurance company-controlled healthcare (other than catastrophic) isn’t working either. A lot of people are scared.
HEAR! HEAR!
DITTO!!
WELL SAID!!!
Trump was dealt a weak hand with Ryan and McConnell. He needs leadership in congress ready to rumble, not ready to mumble and stumble.
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So, Trump was this naïve to work with Ryan on this horrible bill? Sorry, but Trump holds some responsibility here.
Exactly. Agree again.
"The president is the only person standing in the way of what the American people want, so our job now is to stand up for them, to demonstrate for them who is on their side," said Budget Committee Chairman Tom Price, R-Ga.-linky
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