Posted on 03/13/2017 7:25:27 PM PDT by Stopthethreat
The much-maligned Obamacare replacement bill will face its biggest test so far on Thursday, as a House of Representatives committee filled with conservatives could derail the legislation backed by Speaker Paul Ryan before it gets to the House floor.
If four Republicans join Democrats in voting against the bill in the House Budget Committee, the legislation will fail.
The uncertainty comes as the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released its estimate on the bill. It predicted Monday that 24 million people would lose health coverage by 2026 but that there would be a cut to the federal budget deficit of $337 billion over the first decade.
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At least seven Republican members of the Budget Committee have made public statements in the past week indicating they want a full repeal of Obamacare, but it’s unclear whether four of them will decide to go out on a limb and vote no.
One of them, Mark Sanford of South Carolina, joined Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul at a news conference last week to slam the legislation as a dereliction of the Republican Party’s campaign promises.
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You’re right. the purist don’t see to realize that they have to get people to vote for their ideas or it won’t be law regardless. I doubt they could can Collins to vote for their repeal let alone a Democrat. The confusion for me though is this. You only need 60 votes for break a filibuster not to pass the law. So, Republicans can always kill the filibuster. They won’t obviously and especially not for this but they could use Rule 19 to run out the clock on the opposition and force a vote (Rush was talking about this for Supreme Court nomination and I don’t see why they couldn’t use that for anything).
I mean it’s hard to call 1.2 trillion in spending cuts and 900 billion in tax cuts Obamacare Lite, isn’t it? That’s pretty darn lite.
If the Democrats refuse to vote for any bill to replace Obamacare, just repeal it.
The biggest issue is if Obamacare is replaced with just another version, Conservatives will stay home during the midterms.
If you think Ryan and McConnell are going to do anything more than this, you’re not paying attention.
This si all we’re getting from them.
There are no additional phases.
Rule 19 would do the trick. It limits every senator to two speeches per “legislative day.” A “legislative day” can be of any length —one lasted 162 days. As long as you don’t adjourn, it’s the same legislative day.
Let the Democrats make their two speeches and run the clock — then force a vote. Majority rules.
Use this to vote on the WHOLE thing. Use it to get full repeal.
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
You’d need 51 votes to eliminate the filibuster, and you don’t have that. The filibuster is also a convenient excuse for RINOs to rhetorically oppose Obamacare without having to cast a vote to repeal it.
Maybe there’s some technical, creative way of reaching cloture, but a) they’re not going to do it because it will leave all the RINOs exposed and b) Democrats didn’t even go to that extreme in 2008 (maybe they would now). The House ended up passing the Senate bill since Scott Brown’s election as the 41st Republican left them no other option.
No, it's the stupid GOP Governors that are complaining over cuts to Medicaid, which Ryan's plan actually continues to fund.
This is the best deal that you are going to get.
Then I'd rather just keep Obamacare then and let the Dems continue to own it. If we can't repeal it outright, then either implement it entirely so everyone suffers, or Executive Order and de-regulate it to death.
The Democrats oppose Ryancare purely for political and election-year reasons. If Ryancare passes, then all of the healthcare woes get blamed on Trump and the GOP Congress.
“No, it’s the stupid GOP Governors”
GOP Senators Say House Health Care Draft Lacks Key Protections for Medicaid Expansion Population
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senators Rob Portman (R-OH), Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), Cory Gardner (R-CO) and Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) outlining concerns that the February 10th draft health care plan from the House does not adequately protect individuals and families in Medicaid expansion programs
“let the Dems continue to own it.”
The GOP owns it now. They got elected to fix the problem. Pelosi will be back as speaker next year if nothing gets done.
“It is taking the gun pointed to the heads of hard working people and forcing us to pay for those that don’t work hard, That is MILLIONS of dope headed losers who blew their chance at education. !!We will accept a safety net for a very select few of TRULY needy but the rest can go to the ER and fricken wait!!”
BTTT
“So this plan of kill everything and let Obamacare continue, on presumption it will die on its own, you people have no idea how the world is funded.”
REPEAL obamacare is what we are saying, not letting it “continue”. REPEAL.
These Senators still took the cues from the Governors. It was the Governors who stupidly accepted Medicaid expansion in their states who first raised the issue.
The GOP owns it now. They got elected to fix the problem.
They don't own jack s--t. Not one Republican voted for Obamacare, they were shut out of the process and decision-making, and had zero input. Furthermore, they all ran on repeal in every election since 2010. It was Trump who ran on repeal and replace, not Congress. Obamacare is the Dems' tar-baby. They own it completely.
Pelosi will be back as speaker next year if nothing gets done.
She will be back if the Stupid Party passes Obamacare Jr. There is no guarantee that Phase #2 and #3 will be implemented. The GOP once again has control of Washington and is pissing its power away.
GOP Health Care Bill Could Allow Employers to Demand Genetic Testing
They misspelled Rinos vs the purists. How many elections have you won and did you predict this one correctly? I did almost down to the states.
Apply existing law to the Health Care Industry - i.e. arrest and jail violators of anti-trust, discriminatory / predatory pricing and other laws. Trump can do this today. He needs no additional authority to do so.
Watch as prices fall to sustainable levels where practically everyone can afford to pay for a visit to the doctor out of pocket. IOW eliminate the NEED for so called “Health Insurance”.
Then repeal. There will no longer be a need.
Eliminate Medicare / Medicaid. They will be largely unneeded. Hospitals can be reimbursed on a cost basis by the state if necessary for treatment of the truly destitute.
The truth is Jim that thd Senate took an unrelated bill and wrote Obamacare.
Byron York said absolutely nothing prevents the senate from completely rewriting this.
I am a realist and not a purist, but one big concern about this bill is gnawing at me. The success or failure of this bill will hinge on just one thing: Will people see lower insurance premiums in 2018 than they’re facing in 2017? If the answer to this is not a clear YES then this bill will be seen as a miserable failure by the people who matter most — the voters. This isn’t purism ... it’s reality. Very few people give a damn about CBO estimates, and nobody will see this as a Phase 1 in a three phase approach no matter how hard anyone in Congress or the White House tries to explain it.
That said, I would like to see them plan to disentangle government the rest of the way from the whole deal over the next 8 years.
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