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Trump expects Russia to return Crimea to Ukraine: White House
World News ^ | 14 Fevb 17 | Erik Walsh

Posted on 02/14/2017 11:01:04 AM PST by elhombrelibre

"President Trump has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to de-escalate violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea," Spicer said at a daily news briefing. "At the same time, he fully expects to and wants to get along with Russia."

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TOPICS: Russia
KEYWORDS: trumpcrimea; trumprussia; ukrainecrisis
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To: elhombrelibre

Like the shallow and arrogant Obama and Clinton, and their scheming neo-con apparatchiks Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt, perhaps Trump doesn’t realize Russia’s access to the warm-water Black Sea and Crimea has been a nearly 400 year project for Russia.

While we’re at it, lets demand China vacate Hong Kong


21 posted on 02/14/2017 11:29:03 AM PST by PGR88
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To: rjsimmon

Correction:

... after the Russian occupation of Crimea, which pre-dated the referendum. I screwed up the history.


22 posted on 02/14/2017 11:29:13 AM PST by dangus
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To: elhombrelibre
No reason to give anything up before negotiations have started.

Given the pathetic state of US armed forces (thanks both to Obama and the Republicans who stood by watching it happen), the US would be extremely hard-pressed to confront two conflicts simultaneously, one in East Asia (China, NK) or Europe (Russia and the Baltics).

Trump could arrange a bargain with the Russians where the annexation of Crimea is recognized in exchange for:

a) withdrawal of forces from eastern Ukraine and a cessation of hostilities there;
b)Some gas/oil deal for Ukraine;
c) No NATO or EU expansion to Belarus or Ukraine (trade treaties OK);
c) Russia re-enters the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces treaty (no Iskanders in Kaliningrad);
c) Russia re-enters the Conventional Forces In Europe Treaty (armor moved east);
d) US and Europe drop trade sanctions;
e) US assists Russia in oil/gas exploration;
d) US, Russia, and Saudis agree to force Iran to cut oil exports and guarantee market share to Russia in exchange;
f)Russia stops arming Iran;
g) Russia and US cooperate against ISIS and partition Syria;
h) Russia agrees to remain neutral in any US-China-NK conflict

You might say this asks a lot of the Russians, we might throw in removal of new, permanent NATO bases from Baltics. The sanctions are hurting the Russians: Putin has already had to cut his defense expenditures. The Russians also have to know that NATO poses no strategic threat to Russia-- this is all about prestige, so if we combine economic incentives with high level cooperation, we can probably get a lot. They also have to know that China poses the only real strategic threat to Russia, especially over the Amur river basin in Siberia, which Russia seized in the 19th century.

23 posted on 02/14/2017 11:29:16 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: elhombrelibre
"President Trump has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to de-escalate violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea," Spicer said at a daily news briefing. "At the same time, he fully expects to and wants to get along with Russia."

The two are mutually exclusive.

24 posted on 02/14/2017 11:29:25 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: dangus

I guess your argument is with the POTUS.


25 posted on 02/14/2017 11:29:50 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Trump needs to look at Russian History. They are not going to give Crimea back. Their whole history is about having a port on the Black Sea.
26 posted on 02/14/2017 11:29:51 AM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: elhombrelibre
Better chance of Russia rolling it armored divisions all the way to the English channel than giving away Crimea.

BTW, they could easily do it (take Western Europe). Who would stop them?

27 posted on 02/14/2017 11:31:48 AM PST by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Yes. I presume he’s saying so only for diplomatic reasons, because he can’t be such a God-damned fool as to literally “expect” Russia to hand over Crimea.


28 posted on 02/14/2017 11:32:29 AM PST by dangus
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To: Godebert

Putin isn’t that stupid. His troops aren’t even performing well in Ukraine. And they’d be no match for a combined joint operation of all NATO nations.


29 posted on 02/14/2017 11:34:30 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: dangus

You mean he’s lying?


30 posted on 02/14/2017 11:35:14 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: elhombrelibre
I think part of the democrat (and RINO) motivation behind their accusations of President Trump being sweet on Russia is to force him in the other direction.

It has been obvious for some time that they are intent on starting some sort of showdown with Russia.

Why?

I have no idea - But where Hillary and Obama were once bending over for Putin, democrats now seem to want a war with him.

If democrats could maneuver President Trump into a confrontation with Putin they would damage him and further alienate Russia - both of which seem to be their objectives.


31 posted on 02/14/2017 11:38:08 AM PST by Iron Munro (If Illegals voted Rebublican 66 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall!")
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To: pierrem15

I agree. NATO is no threat, but it’s strong enough to stop an invasion. It’d be a no win situation for both sides. Putin can cut a good deal; he can take the exit ramp being offered. Or he can grandstand and continue to see their economy go south. Russian GDP is the size of Spain’s. The USA’s GDP is fifteen times the size of Putin’s. Continuing a new Cold War will only destroy his economy. Trump could open the oil reserves the USA has and destroy Russian exports. We can have a win/win, or not.


32 posted on 02/14/2017 11:39:02 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“And they’d be no match for a combined joint operation of all NATO nations.”

Wait until the UN gets involved. Russia will run for cover.


33 posted on 02/14/2017 11:44:29 AM PST by map
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To: elhombrelibre

I don’t see a popular movement in the Crimea to go back to being under the control of the Ukraine.


34 posted on 02/14/2017 11:55:35 AM PST by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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To: dangus

I think there was/is enough indiscriminate shelling going on in Donbass to make both parties guilty of same. Motorized infantry. Tanks. Self-propelled arty. Leaves civilians little time to evacuate. Hence, quite a number killed/wounded on both sides. And many of the wounds are quite horrific. And will continue to be.


35 posted on 02/14/2017 12:00:22 PM PST by donozark (Lock her up! Kick 'em out! Build the wall! GO TRUMP!!)
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To: WENDLE
What we need to do is not over throw duly , legally and properly elected governments like we did in the Ukraine with a military junta paid for by printing more money here. That of course CAUSED Russia to protect its port and easement which was under lease until the year 2042. Quit screwing with other folks democratically elected sovereign governments!!

Exactly. And now that the legitimate govt has been overthrown the social construct that was the nation of Ukraine is no longer in existence and it is not up to Russia or anyone else to give anything back to the illegitimate cabal running what is left over from the previous nation of Ukraine. If the break away provinces want to go back to a Ukrainian union they should hold a free and fair referendum to decide that matter among themselves. Oh, wait... they already did.
36 posted on 02/14/2017 12:01:46 PM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: marron

the inhabitants of Crimera want to be part of Russia

it’s for these people to decide not washington


37 posted on 02/14/2017 12:02:00 PM PST by vooch
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To: P-Marlowe

Yeah, I wonder why there is no popular movement there. Could it be dangerous to life and liberty?


38 posted on 02/14/2017 12:04:42 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: vooch

Your argument is with the POTUS. I guess he believes Putin does not decide what borders he will change by force of arms.


39 posted on 02/14/2017 12:06:19 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: WENDLE

What’s wrong with Russia’s warm water port at Rostov-on-Don?


40 posted on 02/14/2017 12:07:49 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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