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Tomi Lahren v. Trevor Noah, a debate to ponder. Shall we discuss?
Youtube ^ | 12/1/16 | Youtube

Posted on 12/05/2016 11:20:45 AM PST by Baynative

"Tomi" host Tomi Lahren gives her take on the Black Lives Matter movement and explains why she lashed out against Colin Kaepernick for his national anthem protest.

But there's more here for everyone to think about.

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: blm; kapernick; noah; tomi
I think this is an enlightening clip for several reasons. It is conservative firebrand Tomi Lahren going head to head with Trevor Noah who now hosts the Daily Show.

While it presents an opportunity for his liberal audience to clap like circus seals, it also shows how a reasoned debate can expose bias on either side of the ideology divide.

I like Tomi's vigor and commentary, but I think this video gives us all something to think about as Noah does a good job of illustrating how we can tend to look for commentary or news that fits our beliefs without questioning why we do so.

(His tactic of keeping the ball in her court and pressing her to explain her comments is one I have been using on liberals for a long time.)

1 posted on 12/05/2016 11:20:45 AM PST by Baynative
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To: Baynative

It was a pretty interesting interview. While I think she did a commendable job of saying why she thought Kaepernick was wrong to insult the flag and the anthem, she did fail to answer the question that he posed repeatedly, which was “how do you propose black people address what they see as injustices being perpetrated against them?” Not saying that it’s a legitimate question, but she just seemed not to have a response.


2 posted on 12/05/2016 11:30:27 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Baynative

Some of the reaction is boiling down to asking Tomi (on the street as she was walking somewhere) if she had ever been with a black man. The inference is clear: if you’re white and have not slept with a black man you must be racist.

This is the video in question. The question about whether or not she has hooked up with a black man is at 1:55 minute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMFz0KBnNeI


3 posted on 12/05/2016 11:35:34 AM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Baynative
How did he get his own show if he doesn't understand so much?

I didn't count but I'm going to guess about 10 or so times he said, "I honestly don't understand", which probably, but his own admission makes him a stupid ****** that has his own race baiting financial support for no other reason than to cause trouble.

Or ...

maybe I just don't understand.

4 posted on 12/05/2016 11:45:27 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: Baynative

I’d like to know why Tomi left OANN to go over to The Blaze.

Beck is batshit crazy.


5 posted on 12/05/2016 11:46:02 AM PST by AFreeBird (BEST. ELECTION. EVER!)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
AS I said, I have been using this tactic in debates with liberals for years. With me it has had an opposite result.

I have spent 8 years asking libs what their vision for my country was when the voted for Barack Obama to transform the country. The most common response is to end the conversation by saying I just can't get over my bias long enough to understand, I don't want to learn, or I am racist.

But in watching this video more than once I did stop and question the adherence to some of my own positions and how I can try to explain them in a way that will make others think instead of just reacting with talking points.

6 posted on 12/05/2016 11:47:35 AM PST by Baynative ( Someone's going to have to pay for these carbon emissions, so it might as well be you.)
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To: Baynative

She got her ass kicked because she didn’t recognize the Socratic Method. She kept answering, instead of questioning the questions and reframing the discussion. Debating 101. But she’s only 24, and her camera and adoring fans don’t usually argue with her.


7 posted on 12/05/2016 11:50:51 AM PST by montag813
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To: vladimir998

Tomi should have slapped him in the face. Who does he think he’s talking to? Lady Gaga?

Either reporters treat her with the respect she deserves, or no interview. Period.


8 posted on 12/05/2016 11:50:58 AM PST by Paulie (America without Christ is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: Baynative; All

Tomi was being honest and real while Trevor was using manipulating her via the Delphi technique, the strawl man and gas lighting.

This would never work if Tomi understood Trevor was psychologically warfare on her.

That was really dirty of Trevor to do that. While Tomi is very smart and will do well in life. She is too young to recognize this clown was attempting to destroy her by deploying psychological operations.

Really six to watch. Trevor’s technique is smooth. Thus, he has probably has been professionally trained.

The good news is hardly anyone watches his show because he is Globalists jester.


9 posted on 12/05/2016 11:57:20 AM PST by Enlightened1
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
how do you propose black people address what they see as injustices being perpetrated against them?”
My answer:

Shouldn't that be a question for the select few black people who think there are injustices perpetrated against them?

You're black Trevor, what exactly are the injustices perpetrated against YOU? What I think doesn't matter, there's nothing I could do about it even if I thought there are injustices.

What do YOU as a black person with injustices perpetrated against you propose?

10 posted on 12/05/2016 1:28:10 PM PST by lewislynn (Ryan is the other half of the reason Romney got creamed by a negro with a Nobel)
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To: lewislynn

People looking for reasons to be offended are nearly always successful.


11 posted on 12/05/2016 1:36:41 PM PST by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
The correct, easy answer: Protest. On YOUR time. NOT the NFL's time. Not your team's time. Talk about it after the game. Talk about it before the game. Go on a talk show. Maybe even stay in the locker room.

What would Noah say about protesting about something he doesn't like? Like the Supreme Court marriage decision from last year?

12 posted on 12/05/2016 2:03:40 PM PST by Captainpaintball (It appears that we no longer wish to keep our Republic, Mr. Franklin...)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
“how do you propose black people address what they see as injustices being perpetrated against them?

I propose that they stop voting for democrats, because 60 years in– including the first black President (second if you count Bill Clinton) – nothing has changed.

Right?

13 posted on 12/05/2016 2:58:44 PM PST by IncPen (I just found out that PIAPS is a reference to the "Pig In A Pants Suit". Ha! #NeverHillary)
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To: Baynative

He’s a twit.


14 posted on 12/05/2016 3:37:01 PM PST by gogeo (That's my Trumpy!)
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To: IncPen

That would’ve been a great answer actually.


15 posted on 12/05/2016 3:39:07 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Baynative

Error &1: The Leftist started the ‘debate’ by making the discussion about her rather than about the issues and her opinions. Stupidly, she took the bait, When Noah asked her why she was so angry, she should have asked him why he was so angry or just demanded to discuss an issue....


16 posted on 12/05/2016 5:43:41 PM PST by DBeers (The concept of peace in Islam requires not co-existence but submission.)
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To: Baynative; knarf; montag813; gogeo; Behind the Blue Wall; DBeers

An interesting take on this interview is by a British Youtuber by the user name of Sargon of Akkad (language warning): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY9xGRZjUUI

Interesting, in the sense that Sargon is a liberal that is anti-censorship, anti-social justice, and anti-feminist; to give an idea of his mentality, he ripped apart Western leaders and media figures for lionizing Castro after his death, asking why only Donald Trump exhibited any moral clarity.

Sargon at least attempts to be intellectually honesty, which is why I find it fascinating to listen to him even though his politics are out of line with mine.


17 posted on 12/05/2016 9:31:10 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I’m a fan of Sargon of Akkad as well. The left has done us a favor of forcing everyone who isn’t a dogmatic ideologue over to, broadly speaking, our side. It looks like they’ll continue to do so for the indefinite future.


18 posted on 12/05/2016 10:27:10 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Enlightened1

I’ve seen what I thought was the Delphi Technique work when our government planners manipulated voters into the choice they had predetermined. But, I’m not sure how it works one on one.


19 posted on 12/06/2016 7:17:31 AM PST by Baynative ( Someone's going to have to pay for these carbon emissions, so it might as well be you.)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall; All

A guy from the Young Turks (aka, a group of leftists who think the mainstream media and the Democratic Party is not progressive enough) had a commentary on this Tomi/Trevor debate.

Naturally, Sargon comments on the commentary (language warning): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Opc41Vr9w

I think the only anti-SJW British person that I enjoy listening to more right now is TL;DR.


20 posted on 12/06/2016 10:54:42 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.)
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