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The Hawk on Russia Policy? Hillary Clinton, Not Donald Trump
NYTimes ^ | October 20, 2016 | David E. Sanger

Posted on 10/22/2016 2:31:46 PM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Hillary Clinton made it abundantly clear Wednesday night that if she defeats Donald J. Trump next month she will enter the White House with the most contentious relationship with Russia of any president in more than three decades, and with a visceral, personal animus toward Vladimir V. Putin, its leader.

“We haven’t seen a you-can’t-trust-these-guys tone like this since the days of Ronald Reagan,” said Stephen Sestanovich, who served in President Bill Clinton’s State Department and is the author of “Maximalist: America in the World from Truman to Obama.” “But even that was more a systemic criticism of the Soviet Union. This is focused on Putin himself.”

In a reversal of political roles, Mrs. Clinton, is the one portraying Mr. Putin as America’s newest archenemy, whose underlings hack into her Brooklyn campaign headquarters, bomb Syrian civilians and threaten Ukraine and NATO allies in Europe. For a woman who presented a big red “reset” button to her Russian counterpart in March 2009 (with the word incorrectly translated into Russian), the change in tone was more striking than ever in her debate with Donald J. Trump.

She, and the Obama White House, insist they were on the right course until Putin decided he had more to gain from reviving Cold War tensions than from a quarter-century effort to integrate with the West. Now, much of the Democratic foreign policy establishment has become as hawkish as Clinton on the subject of Russia, a view almost certain to outlast the campaign.

Privately, some of her longtime advisers are already thinking about what mix of sanctions, diplomatic isolation and international condemnation they might put together if they take office to deal with Putin and the fragile economic state he runs, an update of the “containment” strategy that George Kennan formulated for President Truman in 1947.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: clinton; hillary; russian; warhawk
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In an interview with Michael Savage earlier this week, Donald Trump said, “I think I could see myself meeting with Putin and meeting with Russia prior to the start of the administration,” noting, “I think it would be wonderful.”
1 posted on 10/22/2016 2:31:46 PM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

This article IS from the New York slimes.


2 posted on 10/22/2016 2:32:36 PM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

             

3 posted on 10/22/2016 2:34:12 PM PDT by tomkat (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

The most contemptuous relationship? The NYT thinks everyone else has the same regard for Hillary that they do. I don’t think Russia will have a relationship with her. I doubt they’ll even take her calls


4 posted on 10/22/2016 2:35:53 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

HEY NEWBIE :)

I think AVOIDING WWIII would be wonderful TOO!!

A meeting is a GREAT idea.


5 posted on 10/22/2016 2:37:02 PM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Hillary the hawk is a completely campaign season fairy tale. She wants war with Republicans. Not Russia.


6 posted on 10/22/2016 2:40:33 PM PDT by lodi90 (Clear choice for Conservatives now: TRUMP or lose)
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To: lodi90

Exactly.

Russia has money.

...and Hillary has US assets to liquidate.


7 posted on 10/22/2016 2:48:08 PM PDT by Eddie01 (Democrats are the Liquidate America Party)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

8 posted on 10/22/2016 2:48:48 PM PDT by GregoTX
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Hillary ruined our relationship with Russia.

Remember the “reset” button? I do. She is a disaster.


9 posted on 10/22/2016 2:50:18 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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The Hawk on Russia Policy? Hillary Clinton, Not Donald Trump

Unmitigated BULL EXCREMENT!!

10 posted on 10/22/2016 2:50:47 PM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Wag the dog, smoke and mirrors BS in an attempt to gain voter support.


11 posted on 10/22/2016 2:51:35 PM PDT by ETL (Trump-PENCE 2016!!)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Russia is bidding its time until the Donald gets in.


12 posted on 10/22/2016 2:52:24 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

One thing Trump understands from the business world is that your competitor is not necessarily your enemy.

I am strangely optimistic that Trump could turns things around rather quickly, as I believe a lot of the current trouble comes from the fact that Putin sees through Obama as an incompetent, a hypocrite, and quite possibly a sodomite.

Putin may be an SOB, but he’s an SOB for Mother Russia.


13 posted on 10/22/2016 2:54:08 PM PDT by Nothingburger
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To: Biggirl
Russia is bidding its time until the Donald gets in.

Here's Trump's VP, Mike Pence, on Obama, Russia, Syria and the Ukraine...

From the Oct 5, 2016 first VP debate...

“When Donald Trump and I observe that, as I’ve said, in Syria, in Iran, in Ukraine, that the small and bullying leader of Russia has been stronger on the world stage than this administration, that’s stating painful facts. That’s not an endorsement of Vladimir Putin — that’s an indictment of the weak and feckless leadership of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.”

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Also from the Oct 5, 2016 first VP debate...

QUIJANO (Moderator): I want to turn now to Syria. Two hundred fifty thousand people, 100,000 of them children, are under siege in Aleppo, Syria. Bunker buster bombs, cluster munitions, and incendiary weapons are being dropped on them by Russian and Syrian militaries. Does the U.S. have a responsibility to protect civilians and prevent mass casualties on this scale, Governor Pence?

PENCE: The United States of America needs to begin to exercise strong leadership to protect the vulnerable citizens and over 100,000 children in Aleppo. Hillary Clinton’s top priority when she became secretary of state was the Russian reset, the Russians reset.

After the Russian reset, the Russians invaded Ukraine and took over Crimea.

And the small and bullying leader of Russia is now dictating terms to the United States to the point where all the United States of America — the greatest nation on Earth — just withdraws from talks about a cease-fire while Vladimir Putin puts a missile defense system in Syria while he marshals the forces and begins — look, we have got to begin to lean into this with strong, broad-shouldered American leadership.

It begins by rebuilding our military. And the Russians and the Chinese have been making enormous investments in the military. We have the smallest Navy since 1916. We have the lowest number of troops since the end of the Second World War. We’ve got to work with Congress, and Donald Trump will, to rebuild our military and project American strength in the world.

But about Aleppo and about Syria, I truly do believe that what America ought to do right now is immediately establish safe zones, so that families and vulnerable families with children can move out of those areas, work with our Arab partners, real time, right now, to make that happen.

And secondly, I just have to tell you that the provocations by Russia need to be met with American strength.

And if Russia chooses to be involved and continue, I should say, to be involved in this barbaric attack on civilians in Aleppo, the United States of America should be prepared to use military force to strike military targets of the Assad regime to prevent them from this humanitarian crisis that is taking place in Aleppo.

There’s a broad range of other things that we ought to do, as well. We ought to deploy a missile defense shield to the Czech Republic and Poland which Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama pulled back on out of not wanting to offend the Russians back in 2009.

QUIJANO: Governor, your two minutes are up.

PENCE: We’ve just got to have American strength on the world stage. When Donald Trump becomes president of the United States, the Russians and other countries in the world will know they’re dealing with a strong American president.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/06/us/politics/vice-president-transcript.html

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PENCE: What we’re dealing with is the — you know, there’s an old proverb that says the Russian bear never dies, it just hibernates.

And the truth of the matter is, the weak and feckless foreign policy of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama has awakened an aggression in Russia that first appeared a few years ago with their move in Georgia, now their move into Crimea, now their move into the wider Middle East.

And all the while, all we do is fold our arms and say we’re not having talks anymore.

To answer your question, we just need American strength. We need to — we need to marshal the resources of our allies in the region, and in the immediate, we need to act and act now to get people out of harm’s way.

14 posted on 10/22/2016 2:56:04 PM PDT by ETL (Trump-PENCE 2016!!)
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Donald Trump: 'Putin has eaten Obama's lunch' on Ukraine

Mar 13, 2014
Eun Kyung Kim: TODAY

Donald Trump slammed President Obama Thursday on TODAY for failing to take a stronger line against President Vladimir Putin in dealing with Ukraine, saying he feared Obama would now make up for lost time with imprudent moves to "show his manhood."

The real estate mogul and reality-TV star, who has criticized Putin for sending military troops into Crimea, said Obama must now take fierce steps to prevent the situation from escalating further.

"We should definitely do sanctions and we have to show some strengths. I mean, Putin has eaten Obama's lunch, therefore our lunch, for a long period of time," Trump said. ..."

http://www.today.com/news/donald-trump-putin-has-eaten-obamas-lunch-ukraine-2D79372098

15 posted on 10/22/2016 2:57:01 PM PDT by ETL (Trump-PENCE 2016!!)
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To: dp0622

Thanks for the posting —— the Anglo-American establishment is clearly fomenting war with Putin,....

...it must be that the entire GOPe & DNCe are not aware the nuclear wars have a tendency to get out of hand.....

http://www.infowars.com/top-british-general-warns-of-nuclear-war-with-russia/


16 posted on 10/22/2016 3:00:51 PM PDT by Trump_vs_Evil_Witch (Hillary & Bill = Jezebel & Ahab)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Most underreported story of the past eight years? This smoking gun PROVING that the “revolution” in Ukraine was actually a US manufactured coup:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

2nd most underreported story? Drunk Hillary laughing about the lynching of Gadaffi. Nice way to make other nations give up their nukes, huh?

This woman should’ve been forced to resign years ago. Now, she wants to shoot down Russian planes. And SHE is the “responsible” one???


17 posted on 10/22/2016 3:01:03 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Nessie ... Sasquatch ... The Free Syrian Army ...)
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To: GoldenPup

Hillary is a war mongering neo-con, Trump is correct when he called her the mother of ISIS

http://www.infowars.com/top-british-general-warns-of-nuclear-war-with-russia/


18 posted on 10/22/2016 3:03:16 PM PDT by Trump_vs_Evil_Witch (Hillary & Bill = Jezebel & Ahab)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

I is odd that the left in this country hate Russia so much now ever since it stopped deifying Marx and Lenin, and began allowing its own people to openly practice their faith.


19 posted on 10/22/2016 3:04:00 PM PDT by RonnG
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Someone owes me a new keyboard!


20 posted on 10/22/2016 3:06:26 PM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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