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BREAKING: Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby charged with 1st degree manslaughter
KTUL ^ | September 22, 2016 | Staff

Posted on 09/22/2016 1:46:01 PM PDT by Trump20162020

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To: LouieFisk
I hope this was done based on evidence and not out of PC or fear of riots.

The evidence is all over the video. And I assume they have statements from the other officers.

181 posted on 09/22/2016 3:25:14 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: VaeVictis
Since there was reason to believe the car was a bomb, this charge is moot as he disobeyed orders and went to the vehicle and attempted to open the door.

What reason did they have to believe the car was a bomb?

182 posted on 09/22/2016 3:26:16 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Old Yeller

First-degree manslaughter can occur in any of the following ways:

A homicide committed without a design to cause death while engaging in the commission of a misdemeanor
A homicide committed without a design to effect death and in the heat of passion, but in a cruel and unusual manner, or by means of a dangerous weapon, or
A homicide committed unnecessarily either while resisting an attempt by the deceased to commit a crime, or after such an attempt failed
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/oklahoma-law/oklahoma-voluntary-manslaughter-law.html


183 posted on 09/22/2016 3:26:32 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Trump20162020

Over-charged, just like Madame Mosby.


184 posted on 09/22/2016 3:28:15 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Mr.Unique

These are different times and guy was in the area.


185 posted on 09/22/2016 3:28:40 PM PDT by libsdrinkkoolaid
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To: slouper

First of all, there were no “instructions” heard, but there’s plenty of hear say.

The guy’s car stalled. He may have locked the car up and started to walk for help. We don’t know when the cops pulled up.

The guy slowly walks back toward his car with his hands up. How aggressive is that?

He places hands on the car. Next thing his right hand moves down slowly.

He gets tasered.

Then, because he reacts to the taser voltage, he gets shot dead.

End of story.

He was not armed.
He was not fleeing.
He was not charging the cops.

He was passive, if anything.

You don’t get to kill people over verbal communication commands in non-threat circumstances.


186 posted on 09/22/2016 3:30:26 PM PDT by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public Education is the farm team for more Marxists coming, infinitum.)
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To: AmusedBystander
AmusedBystander said: "As a side note, why did she go for a kill shot? Why not a shot in air first to see if his demeanor changes? Or a shot to the leg? "

Shooting a person is only justified if one fears great bodily harm or death. In such a case, a person is justified in shooting to STOP the attack. There is no justification for an intent to kill. It is a coincidence of anatomy that the most effective way to use a gun to stop an attack also tends to be the most lethal.

If a person purposely shoots in a manner which shows less concern for stopping the attack, then one might conclude that the attack did not generate fear of great bodily harm or death.

Shooting at a person's leg might have the very undesirable and unintended consequence that the attack is not stopped, the shooter is then harmed or killed, and the wounded person bleeds out before an ambulance arrives; a lose-lose situation.

Warning shots are very difficult to justify. The bullet has to go somewhere. If one cop fires a warning shot, the others at the scene will empty their guns at whomever they believe is a threat. Warning shots are an expenditure of a resource that could end up being in short supply if a shootout does occur. Warning shots also demonstrate a reduced level of concern with great bodily harm or death at the hands of an attacker.

187 posted on 09/22/2016 3:31:03 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: silverleaf

Pretty much.


188 posted on 09/22/2016 3:31:04 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

Partly. She is still white so its still about that too.


189 posted on 09/22/2016 3:32:17 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

Read yesterday Massachusettes SC says it is okay for blacks to run from cops for fear of profiling.

Insanity.


190 posted on 09/22/2016 3:33:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: LouieFisk

In my youth I have been put in the back of a police car in handcuffs. I had done nothing wrong. I obeyed their orders and the next morning I was free.

Do what the man with a gun and a badge tells you to do and you do not get dead. He may be a “no good son of a bitch” or he may be a good cop and most of them are good cops. Do what they say and you will be home in your bed the next night if you are not a bad man or bad women.

It is really that simple.


191 posted on 09/22/2016 3:33:49 PM PDT by cpdiii (DECKHAND ROUGHNECK MUDMAN GEOLOGIST PILOT PHARMACIST LIBERTARIAN , CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: PLMerite

Tazed right before bullet or at roughly the same time depending on how you read the narrative.


192 posted on 09/22/2016 3:34:40 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Smittie

IE, a natural born defender/fighter.


193 posted on 09/22/2016 3:34:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Navin Johnson

and the younger the tougher


194 posted on 09/22/2016 3:35:15 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Proudly deplorable since 2016)
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To: vette6387
she should be allowed to make the case for her actions in court.

And now she will be.

195 posted on 09/22/2016 3:38:03 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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To: PLMerite
The difference between a “disabling shot” and a “killing shot” is as small an nicking an artery. Bullets do weird things when they hit hard objects - bones, buttons, belt buckles - they turn and tumble.

Yes, I understand all of that. However, when a cop wears a bulletproof vest it doesn't cover every area to prevent death, it just gives them a little better chance to survive. So by the same logic, a warning shot or a shot to an area less likely to kill may be a better solution.

Obviously 75% of the cops present never felt threatened enough to shoot which says a lot because normally if one fires they all fire is a common outcome.

And yet once again the internal investigation must not have been supportive of the cop at all or no charge would have been filed.

196 posted on 09/22/2016 3:38:15 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: cpdiii

I forgot to add. I do not know if this was a good shoot or not. The courts will decide. Oklahoma courts are good courts. If this was a bad shoot this officer will feel the full weight of justice.

I hope I am wrong but this looks to me like a bad shoot. I also hope other evidence shows it was a good shoot.


197 posted on 09/22/2016 3:39:24 PM PDT by cpdiii (DECKHAND ROUGHNECK MUDMAN GEOLOGIST PILOT PHARMACIST LIBERTARIAN , CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: VaeVictis

It is. If she reasonably believed that she was in threat of imminent death or bodily harm, she has complete defense. If she was giving him commands, he disregarded, she tazed him, he still disregarded, and was reaching into his car.

Was she supposed to just stand there until he came out with a gun and started shooting?


198 posted on 09/22/2016 3:43:24 PM PDT by WilliamCooper1
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To: RegulatorCountry

He was probably full of PCP, which would make the taser useless. Another officer did tase him at the same time Officer Shelby fired her weapon.

Cops don’t shoot to disable, they shoot to stop.

Shelby is going to be crucified. It’s not going to matter if it was a good shoot or not.


199 posted on 09/22/2016 3:46:07 PM PDT by jazminerose (oective)
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To: Hulka

Exactly. And when the autopsy shows he was out of his mind on PCP that will help her more.

It was a justified homicide.


200 posted on 09/22/2016 3:47:07 PM PDT by WilliamCooper1
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