why are the RATS so intent on giving it up then?
Posted on 09/21/2016 1:31:46 PM PDT by The Westerner
For future reference, a list of congressmen or major public figures who opposed transfer of ICANN to foreign control is important. Granted that some senators are taking a stand now, for political reasons, but FReepers can put that on the list as background information. Please keep your post brief so the list can be skimmed quickly. Or separate the name and your comment with a paragraph.
Some FReepers have argued that the impending transfer on October 1, 2016 is akin to giving Communist China the Panama Canal--or worse: because they who control domain name listings, control Free Speech.
Some FReepers have argued that this is a non-issue based on their technical understanding of how the internet functions. If Free Republic owner Jim Robinson can clarify the validity if this argument, it would be helpful to those of us who don't really understand the technicalities.
My concern is that sites like this will either be taken down or fees and regulations and taxes will shutter them. The totalitarians have been searching for a way to take down Drudge, for example. Now, a United States politician will have clean hands if that happens. Very convenient. Without the internet, this year's revolutionary Presidential election would not be happening. If Americans did not have citizen journalists reporting in real time on the news or broadcasting their personal videos on Youtube, if we on Free Republic were not conversing and thinking aloud and researching, we would have no choice but a Clinton or Bush Presidency. But we have worked hard to vette our aspiring leaders, even fighting amongst ourselves about nominees. American are still free and able to speak without fear of being put in jail, for the most part...
The reason I am posting this thread is that I believe without Free Speech, America is lost. The Founders created a Bill of Rights solely as a punctuation mark to the Constitution. They desired to shout in CAPS to future Americans that these Rights are Inalienable, meaning cannot be taken away by future laws or tyrants. There is a reason the Primary or #1 Right listed is Free Speech because without Speech, all others cannot stand. I feel, like so many of us, that we are just barely holding on to Freedom. Please help us create this list for the future so we can know who understood and who was willing to fight against Obama and his cohorts plan to relieve us of the burden of Freedom. As he said to Putin, "I'll have more flexibility after the election". Who could have dreamed that his plan included ceding control of our internet?
They only know the names and addresses of Intenet SITES, those are registered.
As for users, those addresses are allocated in bulk, in large ranges. Those name/address pairs are fungible and held only by the local Internet provider for their local operations.
ICANN never sees them. And doesn't care about them. And they cannot see them even if they wanted to...there is no technical mechanism for it.
Currently you can anonymize the websites you create. People doing a search are blocked from finding out who you are. But you’re not anonymous to the registrar. And now the registrar could be a Muslim fanatic persuing who owns “stopmuslimimmigration(dot)com” or whatever name you use.
That is exceedingly dangerous.
why are the RATS so intent on giving it up then?
This scenario is known as taking somebody off the air.
While ICANN has that technical capability now everyone supposes it won't be used in a nefarious fashion because they have not done it to registered web sites.
But, if it happens twice the US and every other country will start their own registration service and root domain.
ICANN would be relegated to resolving national domains...like dot cn. or dot US.
Because they are internationalists and they simply cannot tolerate the US having control over anything. And sine their buddies in other countries don't trust the US system of Internet governance, they don't either.
Certainly I cannot discern a technical reason to have it either way...and most certainly not a reason for anyone to fight over it.
Thousands of domain servers worldwide subscribe to the root domain at ICANN, WILLINGLY, not because they have to.
The US could put up its own service in 24hrs and never synch to the ICANN root. In fact, China does that today. Along with many other countries.
The entire Internet has become the symbol of Internationalism and the good commies in the US want to enhance that symbol, even if it has no real meaning.
The ability to discover the actual owner/publisher of a web site.
The person or entity.
Yes, ICANN knows. And yes, if a bad guy gets access to those records they would know who to go after, personally.
IP addresses would still work, if you could remember them, but that completely takes away the benefit of URLs.
‘Not a single plausible scenario about real potential events with real impact ... Either this man does not understand the internal workings, or he has another agenda.’
ICANN Transition Even Endangers ‘.gov’ and ‘.mil’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3469586/posts
Or his testimony:
http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/download/09-14-16-rosenzweig-testimony.
Who is Paul Rosenweig?
He was invited to testify at Wendesday’s “internet giveaway” hearing because of his involvement and extensive background:
1. Department of Homeland — deputy assistant secretary for policy.
2. Currently he runs a consulting organization for Homeland.
3. Rosenweig authored and edited numerous books on cyber-security and freedom of speech. [He also produced DVDs on those subjects.]
4. As for his politics, He’s been writing Heritage Foundation columns all the way back to 1977.
5. Senator Grassley agrees that .mil and .gov are threatened. So do many others.
“They only know the names and addresses of Intenet SITES, those are registered.”
And if something is offensive to one of their buds [note the Swedish Plan ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3394704/posts
... knowing the site is enough to issue a fine. If you don’t pay, you have to hop from site to site like a rabbit.
Senator Grassley must be working on plan of his own.
He called this plan “unconstitutional”.
So China doesn’t want to make some deal with ICANN?
A big question is why China is this — why is China so excited about this transition?
Cruz, Lankford, and Lee Raise New Concerns About ICANN’s Relationship with Authoritarian China
https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=2603
“Mr. Chehadé’s participation resulted in an agreement to co-chair a high-level advisory committee for the conference, which could make ICANN complicit in the Chinese censorship regime. Since sending our letter, additional evidence has come to light suggesting that ICANN’s relationship with the Chinese government may be a systemic problem within the organization itself and not limited to a single individual.”
[snip]
“Fadi Chehadé has been called on to recuse himself from all discussions and negotiations pertaining to the IANA transition given a confirmed personal conflict of interest with the Chinese government. Has ICANN taken any action to ensure that Fadi Chade will recuse himself from the IANA transition? If no, please describe the reason for ICANN’s inaction.”
[snip]
When ICANN announced it was opening its first global engagement office in Beijing, the China Internet Network Information Center (CNNIC) stated that it would “invest necessary human and material resources in the construction of the center and actively carry out its functions including the coordination, communication, as well as operation in order to provide effective, long-term and stable services for ICANN to serve China’s Internet industry.” Please provide yes-or-no answers to the following questions:
a. Did CNNIC invest human and material resources in the construction of ICANN’s global engagement office in Beijing?
b. Is CNNIC actively carrying out the functions, coordination, communication, or operation of ICANN’s global engagement office in Beijing?
c. Do any individuals associated with CNNIC or the Chinese government have a formal or informal role in ICANN’s global engagement office in Beijing?
ICANN currently lists the address for each hub office and engagement office on its website except for the engagement office in Beijing.[21] Please provide the address of ICANN’s engagement office in Beijing.
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Well Grassley has sponsored the Senate version of the House Resolution...Not sure what you mean...
When Grassley, Sessions, Cruz, Mike Lee, and Gohmert are in agreement about something the only reason why they would be ignored is due to influential and DECEITFUL lobbyists:
ICANN’s Secret Plot: rigged oversight, designs on .mil, $2.5 mil in lobbying
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3471830/posts
Sorry for the confusing post earlier. I noticed that Grassley wasn’t on one of those lists and assumed he must be supporting something with the same goal.
FRegards ....
Thanks for your help!
Hi Mariner,
I appreciate your enthusiastic response and find your argument interesting. I would hope you are 100% correct. In the meantime, this was an attempt to create a list for future reference. That’s all.
T.W.
Just got home only to find FReepers in disagreement. Has JimRob expressed an opinion on this transfer of ICANN? I wonder if he agrees with Mariner that it poses no threat to Free Speech or Commerce? Pinging him to this thread.
Giving away control of the internet or any part of it is sheer lunacy.
Hmm I checked and Grassley is not on the co-sponsor list...Not sure why~but he is with Cruz et al. for not transferring any aspect of the Internet!
Jim Robinson above said:
“Giving away control of the internet or any part of it is sheer lunacy.”
Jim knows this internet as well as any techie alive. He and his son built this magnicent in its simplicity platform when social media started on the internet. He’s dedicated his life, time, skills to saving this country from self-destruction.
If JimRob says it’s “sheer lunacy” giving it away, I trust his judgement!
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