Posted on 09/15/2016 2:04:46 PM PDT by bgill
One of the biggest stars of the fall TV season so far is a 6-year-old child beauty queen who has been dead nearly two decades.
After three documentary specials have already been run (with a TV movie in the works), the biggest broadcast project, "The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey," airs Sunday, Sept. 18 and Monday, Sept. 19 on CBS.
In it, Connecticut's famed criminalist Dr. Henry Lee is one of a handful of original investigators of the case who have been reunited with a pair of new experts for the special to re-examine the death of the little girl in Boulder, Colo., on Christmas night, 1996, that has yet to be solved.
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When the O.J. case happened, I said 80 percent of the Caucasians said he's definitely guilty, guilty like hell. And in the minority community, 80 percent thought he was totally innocent, that he'd been railroaded by the police. I like to say 100 percent of the Chinese, we don't care.
Wow. He doesn't care about two people who were murdered. Wonder if he doesn't give a rat's behind about 6 year old JonBenet and any of the other cases he's worked.
Have any of you been watching the JonBenet tv shows on this week for the 20th anniversary? IMO, the Boulder PD messed it up the minute the first patrol car turned down their block. They allowed all the neighbors and friends to wander around and clean the house never securing the crime scene. They never searched the house completely and didn't document much photographic evidence and the collection of evidence was sloppy. They left only one officer in the house and she told John Ramsey and his friend Fleet White to go look if anything was missing. Seriously?!? It was the father and White who found the child in the basement. Both touched her and the father took the tape off her mouth and carried her upstairs (around 1 pm) and laid her on the floor. Then the mother held her compromising more evidence.
The Grand Jury voted to indict the parents but the DA dropped the case. He was convinced the parents didn't do it. Speculation was any first year defense attorney would beat holes in the BPD's incompetency.
I watched the Dateline re-hash last week; maybe the week before?
It revealed nothing new, as far as I could tell, OTHER than the fact that the DA didn’t charge the parents even though a Grand Jury found them responsible...which wasn’t made public until now.
That poor kid. She’s never going to get justice.
Yes, we’ve been watching all of it and it is an incredibly mind-boggling case. All the suspects, from the parents to the brother to Santa Claus, derelicts and to the pedophiles. The number of strange coincidences are like out of a mystery novel, not real life.
One would think that Dr. Henry Lee would be able to speak understandable English after spending fifty years on the United States.
The Grand Jury voted to indict the parents but the DA dropped the case. He was convinced the parents didn’t do it. Speculation was any first year defense attorney would beat holes in the BPD’s incompetency.
My understanding was the GJ voted to indict on charges of “abuse” and “accessories” Not for murder.
The DA was wise IMO not to indict, there are enough holes in the case to create reasonable doubt. I go back and forth as I learn more about the case, yet know there is far enough RD with the circumstantial evidence not to convict.
I watched Dr. Phil interview the son yesterday (I think).
Boy, he sure looked guilty to me; body language & lack of eye contact.
Agree, after all that time, Sum Ting Wong.
I didn’t see that interview but always wondered. My theory: someone got mad at that little girl and hit her on the head with a flashlight that was in the kitchen. Then the story and note was concocted as a cover. Maybe mom and dad covered for the son who in a childish fit of rage killed her but didn’t mean to. Both parents would move heaven and earth to protect the only child left (I know he had others) where as each might have turned against the other had it been one of them.
Just a theory
You might be right. Also sounds like she had been recently wetting the bed, which makes me lean toward the mother. ? Don’t know.
That was my conclusion, the parents were protecting the son.
Dr. PHil explained that. His conclusion was the Ramsey family were innocent. The corrupt officials were the biggest problem.
McReynolds, the Santa - really too many coincidences. Their daughter had been kidnapped years before with another child and the other child was molested ON CHIRSTMAS, too. Mrs. McReynolds wrote a play about a someone getting strangled to death in a basement. It was him who called the Ramsey’s about doing Santa for them again that year and they agreed even though it wasn’t in the plan. Then JonBenet tells her friend and friend’s mother that Santa told her he’d visit her AFTER Christmas and it was a secret. His interviews remind me of Sandy Hook’s freaky Gene Rosen all lovey dovey and how he and JonBenet had a special connection, etc. Just way too much, imo.
But, I’m of the opinion Burke, the brother, hit her on the head and the parents covered for him staging the scene and that ridiculous ransom note. No stranger would have an knowledge of the personal innuendoes in the note. It’s doubtful a close acquaintance or friend would know enough to write all slights against John. The note is all about John and his work relations. The cops couldn’t eliminate Patsy as the writer of the note and her letters do look a lot like the author’s (especially the pointy “C” and “q” looking like 8). What kind of dump intruder would hang around inside the house writing and rewriting a 2.5 page note?
Today, Burke is 29 years old but hasn’t matured past the interviews when he was little. That smirk and smile was creepy then and it’s even more creepy today. There has to be something there. He’s special needs or something. Whatever, he doesn’t show normal reactions. When he was little, he couldn’t sit still in a chair without climbing all over. As an adult he has shifty eyes and fidgety fingers. “Maaaaaybe!”, giggle, they ate pineapple??? “She had a droopy eye” in her coffin??? “I don’t remember her hair was that long” in her last photograph. When little, he didn’t draw her in his family members picture but that she’d died so he was “moving on”??? Then he claims he’s never in all these years read the ransom note? The day it happened, his mama came into his room looking frantically for his sister but he never asked why or got out of bed. Later, when the police came in shining a flashlight, he didn’t get out of bed. His parents left him (or ordered him to stay put) there all by himself and he wasn’t the least bit curious. Really? It’s obvious he’s been coached and coached and coached.
He admitted to Dr. Phil he went downstairs in the middle of the night to play with a toy but doesn’t remember what toy. I’m going with the model (train?) he and John put together that night before being put to bed... with a flashlight. Could it have been the flashlight that had been wiped of fingerprints including the batteries the cops found on the counter? And which could have been the instrument that cracked her skull?
That's correct. It was always the belief of most of the Boulder PD that some sort of incident happened between Patsy and JonBenet, which ended up causing the skull fracture. Patsy then had a choice to make: a) Call the police and suffer the ridicule and scorn of the wealthy society in which she lived, or b) cover up the accident, making it look like an intruder.
The biggest tip off to the staging is the 2 and a 1/2 page ransom note. Not one FBI investigator could ever recall such a note, much less one that's left AFTER the victim was already dead (and in the house).
As for me, I'm with Detective Steve Thomas. Patsy did it and then covered it up. Yes, she loved her daughter and didn't mean for any of it to happen, but circumstances spiraled out of control.
Just a word of caution if you ever decide to really dig into this case: IT WILL GET INSIDE YOUR HEAD. I recommend using Occam's Razor when sifting through the evidence. From WikiPedia: "Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the simpler one is usually better. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation is."
Both kids were bedwetters according to the housekeepers.
Burke was one month shy of his 10th birthday.
JonBenet had recently seen her pediatrician about an infection/genital irritation. Can’t remember the exact number of doctor visits she’d had that year but it seems like every 2-3 weeks.
They found DNA in her panties that belong to an unknown Hispanic male. You do know that prosecutors can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. The parents were eventually totally exonerated.
I have always thought since the beginning the young son did it. that’s why they acted as they did.............
Same theory i had since the beginning.
Jealousy over his Christmas gifts.............
The panties were new so it’s speculated the DNA could have come from being handled during manufacturing. It could have come from her pulling them down to use the bathroom at the friends’ house where they were partying that evening. Thing is, no one knows and the DNA has never been identified other than it didn’t belong to the parents. There was so little of it that there supposedly isn’t any left to test today.
Her body had been wiped clean and redressed meaning more risk time wise for an intruder.
One neighbor said the sunroom light, which normally was always on, was turned off. Another neighbor said there were strange lights (flashlight?) in the kitchen area. The neighbor across the street said she heard a scream and woke her husband.
Since his show won't conclude until next week, when did he say that? In his interviews outside the show, he's said the viewer is supposed to draw their own conclusion.
We watched a show that was on before the 3 part series about the murder......the police botched this beyond reason and some to this day still think the Ramsey’s did it or had a hand in it. I say hogwash since they took the clothes JonBenet had on, did DNA tests (contact DNA) which has evolved to a science in recent years and found DNA from any unknown source. If they ever get in the national data base, there will be a closure on this case. I will think until the day I die the Boulder police department screwed up!!
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