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Fox News: "no one trailing on Labor Day has ever won the presidency"
Fox News TV | 9/5/16

Posted on 09/05/2016 12:09:55 PM PDT by pabianice

Per Fox just a minute ago. Also: "Clinton is beating Trump on TV ads 10 to 1."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2016polls; clinton; elections; fox; hillary; murdocknews; polls; trump
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To: pabianice

Fox: CNN lite. We’ve been onto you for some time, idiots.


21 posted on 09/05/2016 12:19:06 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Who’s watchin news today anyway ? Fox going down toilet fast.


22 posted on 09/05/2016 12:19:24 PM PDT by wardamneagle (C)
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To: pabianice

“no one trailing on Labor Day has ever won the presidency”
Are we supposed to take this as a prediction? If they had wanted it to be a prediction, they would have had to say so.
But that would have made it obvious that they don’t know what they are talking about.

The past is not a predictor of the future. When the free will decisions of humans are included, it is impossible to predict the outcome.


23 posted on 09/05/2016 12:19:31 PM PDT by I want the USA back (The media is acting full-on as the Democratic Party's press agency now: Robert Spencer)
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To: Robert DeLong

“Fox is wrong, since Ronald Reagan was trailing, in the polls, all the way up to the election.”

Special Report
How Carter Beat Reagan
Washington Post admits polling was “in-kind contribution”; New York Times agenda polling.
By Jeffrey Lord – 9.25.12
Dick Morris is right.

Here’s something Dick Morris doesn’t mention. And he’s charitable.

Remember when Jimmy Carter beat Ronald Reagan in 1980?

That’s right. Jimmy Carter beat Ronald Reagan in 1980.

In a series of nine stories in 1980 on “Crucial States” — battleground states as they are known today — the New York Times repeatedly told readers then-President Carter was in a close and decidedly winnable race with the former California governor. And used polling data from the New York Times/CBS polls to back up its stories.

Four years later, it was the Washington Post that played the polling game — and when called out by Reagan campaign manager Ed Rollins a famous Post executive called his paper’s polling an “in-kind contribution to the Mondale campaign.” Mondale, of course, being then-President Reagan’s 1984 opponent and Carter’s vice president.

All of which will doubtless serve as a reminder of just how blatantly polling data is manipulated by liberal media — used essentially as a political weapon to support the liberal of the moment, whether Jimmy Carter in 1980, Walter Mondale in 1984 — or Barack Obama in 2012.

First the Times in 1980 and how it played the polling game.
The states involved, and the datelines for the stories:
· California — October 6, 1980
· Texas — October 8, 1980
· Pennsylvania — October 10, 1980
· Illinois — October 13, 1980
· Ohio — October 15, 1980
· New Jersey — October 16, 1980
· Florida — October 19, 1980
· New York — October 21, 1980
· Michigan — October 23, 1980

Of these nine only one was depicted as “likely” for Reagan: Reagan’s own California. A second — New Jersey — was presented as a state that “appears to support” Reagan.

The Times led their readers to believe that each of the remaining seven states were “close” — or the Times had Carter leading outright.

In every single case the Times was proven grossly wrong on election day. Reagan in fact carried every one of the nine states.

Here is how the Times played the game with the seven of the nine states in question.

• Texas: In a story datelined October 8 from Houston, the Times headlined:

Texas Looming as a Close Battle Between President and Reagan
The Reagan-Carter race in Texas, the paper claimed, had “suddenly tightened and now shapes up as a close, bruising battle to the finish.” The paper said “a New York Times/CBS News Poll, the second of seven in crucial big states, showing the Reagan-Carter race now a virtual dead heat despite a string of earlier polls on both sides that had shown the state leaning toward Mr. Reagan.”

The narrative? It was like the famous scene in the Wizard of Oz where Dorothy and her friends stare in astonishment as dog Toto pulls back the curtain in the wizard’s lair to reveal merely a man bellowing through a microphone. Causing the startled “wizard” caught in the act to frantically start yelling, “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!” In the case of the Times in its look at Texas in October of 1980 the paper dismissed “a string of earlier polls on both sides” that repeatedly showed Texas going for Reagan.

Instead, the Times presented this data:
A survey of 1,050 registered voters, weighted to form a probable electorate, gave Mr. Carter 40 percent support, Mr. Reagan 39 percent, John. B. Anderson, the independent candidate, 3 percent, and 18 percent were undecided. The survey, conducted by telephone from Oct. 1 to Oct. 6, has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

In other words, the race in Texas is close, assures the Times, with Carter actually in the lead.

What happened? Reagan beat Carter by over 13 points. It wasn’t even close to close.

http://spectator.org/articles/34732/how-carter-beat-reagan


24 posted on 09/05/2016 12:21:40 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ((My passion , freedom is stronger than that of the Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.))
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To: Red Steel

Has there ever been a criminal running for president?


25 posted on 09/05/2016 12:21:55 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie ( Black's jobs matter!)
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To: Bridesheadfan

Gore, Carter and McCain all had leads


26 posted on 09/05/2016 12:22:14 PM PDT by irish guard
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To: Bridesheadfan
Also, Al Gore was ahead on Labor Day if I’m remembering correctly.

16 out of 20 post Labor Day polls had Al Gore leading in thw 2000 elections.

Why Bush Is Toast

27 posted on 09/05/2016 12:22:20 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Fiji Hill

“Does anyone under 50 watch TV?”

If they do they do NOT watch commercials

FF


28 posted on 09/05/2016 12:23:08 PM PDT by stanne
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To: pabianice

29 posted on 09/05/2016 12:23:40 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

And Bush was just barely catching up to Dukakis by Labor Day weekend:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2457&dat=19880905&id=2f9aAAAAIBAJ&sjid=-U0NAAAAIBAJ&pg=1187,1498258&hl=en


30 posted on 09/05/2016 12:23:53 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: I want the USA back

It was meant to give the illusion that the race was over and illary has this won.

Anything to prevent Trump from winning.
Almost all of their broadcast time has that theme.


31 posted on 09/05/2016 12:24:08 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam , Know Peace)
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To: pabianice
Fox you, Fox News!

Leni

32 posted on 09/05/2016 12:24:16 PM PDT by MinuteGal (GO, TRUMP !!!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

what as romney vs obama in 2012?


33 posted on 09/05/2016 12:24:25 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: pabianice
Fox News has sold their soul to the Devil! Why would anyone believe anything Fox News reports. There is no difference between Fox News and CNN/MSNBC/ABC/CBS/NBC, The Daily Currant. National Report, The Borowitz Report, etc...
34 posted on 09/05/2016 12:24:38 PM PDT by WesternPacific (The herded sheep have finally arrived at the slaughter house.)
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To: pabianice

Read a few days ago how Murdoch from day 1 wanted to make sure that Trump lost..that is why he had Megyn Kelly and the rest of the moderators at the 1st debate try to screw him over..they want Hillary Clinton to win so they can stay relevant..same thing happened in 2008, they wanted Obama to be elected so after wards they can bring in pissed off Republicans to watch their network, its all about ratings and MONEY..and by the way, Gregg Jarrett makes Shepard Smith seem decent..guess Murdoch paid for his alcohol rehab


35 posted on 09/05/2016 12:25:09 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I just now was polled for the first time in my voting life!!!! I was SO EXCITED Trump all the way to POTUS they ask the questions to try to get the results THEY WANT!!! Trump has been accused of being a racist would you be voting for him YES I WILL be voting for him!!!


36 posted on 09/05/2016 12:25:18 PM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: pabianice

I’ll take this supposed “maxim”, given that the following headline was posted by the London Independent this afternoon:
Donald Trump ahead of Hillary Clinton in latest opinion polls.


37 posted on 09/05/2016 12:26:36 PM PDT by laconic
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To: Red Steel

The drunk Gregg Jarret has been on and off FOX bad mouthing Trump. It is worst the CNN on air people. No wounder he is a substitute personality. I guess I will try FBN and see it is any better.


38 posted on 09/05/2016 12:26:37 PM PDT by Datom (Still runnin' "Against the Wind.")
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To: Jim 0216

>>How does Hannity get away with supporting Trump?

Becuase he doesn’t have broad appeal. The only people who watch Hannity are the people who agree with Hannity. We make up the biggest demographic in the FNC viewership, so they have to throw us a bone or two.


39 posted on 09/05/2016 12:26:41 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (If we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.)
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To: pabianice; All
Donald Trump ahead of Hillary Clinton in latest opinion polls =^)

40 posted on 09/05/2016 12:26:44 PM PDT by Amendment10
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