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Lies, damned lies, and then there are polls
American Thinker ^ | August 9, 2016 | Andrew Grant Whit

Posted on 08/09/2016 5:19:36 AM PDT by detective

Poll problems. I'm not talking about adjustments made for improper questions or demographic sampling techniques, though those do tend to bias the poll results in favor of one particular candidate. (Guess who?) No, I'm talking about the folks actually sampled, specifically Registered voters vs. Likely voters.

Most are aware of the RCP rolling average poll and the famous chart showing Clinton cleaning Trump's clock (though not by as much as she needs to at this point in the electoral cycle

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016polls; media; polls
Media sponsored polls are biased and inaccurate.

Media sponsored polls are meant to influence public opinion, not to measure public opinion.

The article in the media are biased and inaccurate. No one should anyone expect their polls to be different.

1 posted on 08/09/2016 5:19:37 AM PDT by detective
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To: detective

The only poll that matters will be taken Nov 8th. Anything prior to that is just a waste of time.


2 posted on 08/09/2016 5:35:42 AM PDT by GT Vander (Life's priorities; God, Family, Country. Everything else is just details...)
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To: detective

Another morning and more ominous polls.
Down 10 in Survey Monkey, down almost that much in PA and even the L.A. Times tracking poll isn’t much comfort today.
Praying Trump’s latent support is not being reflected.


3 posted on 08/09/2016 5:37:05 AM PDT by edie1960
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To: detective
I watched a documentary about John F. Kennedy last night and the parallels with Trump are unmistakable. Kennedy, who IMHO, would not be allowed in the Democrat party today, was hated by the establishment Democrat party and Lyndon Johnson, then Senate Majority Leader, in particular.

Trump is hated by the establishment Republicans, and Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House, in particular.

4 posted on 08/09/2016 5:37:46 AM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: edie1960

D+6. Also, any poll without a 4 way race is not trustworthy.
He’s down, but not by much.


5 posted on 08/09/2016 6:13:02 AM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: GT Vander

But Obama basically admitted that the election would be stolen. IIRC, a few days ago, he was commenting on Trump’s complaining about a rigged election. Obama said (paraphrase) ‘Now, if he’s ahead by 15 points in November and still loses, well that’s not even a reason to suspect the election was stolen’. The fix is in and we will have to be vigilant to make sure it is a clean election. Although, I am not sure how we will be able to guarantee that.


6 posted on 08/09/2016 6:21:43 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: detective

There showing the results of last week. I would wait until next week to see if her bounce stays(it won’t.)


7 posted on 08/09/2016 6:22:04 AM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: detective
These days the younger generation are accustomed to being told what to think and are particularly susceptible to "the bandwagon effect" - "if it is the politically correct thing to do and everyone's doing it, then I have to also". Giving, Her Thighness, Madam Hillary Benghazi higher poll numbers boosts her numbers some.

And also, let's face it, it becomes very discouraging even to those of us who can reason and think through things, when you have a constant barrage of discouragement. That is how brain-washing works.

8 posted on 08/09/2016 6:22:08 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("We re going to raise taxes on the Middle Class!" - HRC Aug 3, 2016)
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To: detective
These pollsters are hired to do a job by someone. They just don't so it for free. And that "someone" is looking for a result that matches their viewpoint. And the outcomes can be easily manipulated to show whatever results anybody wants to.

I took a statistics course in graduate school years ago, working on my MBA. It was one of the best classes I have ever taken and I remain skeptical of campaign polls and other statistical results to this day because of what I learned in that class.

A poll is made up of numbers and statistics are just a way to analyze those numbers. And one thing I learned in that class is that one can make those numbers say anything you want, depending on your viewpoint or agenda. Completely different outcomes arrived at from the same exact numbers.

So I would question, challenge and be skeptical of any poll results seen currently for this campaign. Groups and organizations are pushing these polls to influence the outcome.

Ignore the polls and vote your gut. Trump for President 2016 to Make America Great Again !

BTW, the title of the textbook for that class was How To Lie With Statistics

9 posted on 08/09/2016 7:23:09 AM PDT by HotHunt
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To: GT Vander
The only poll that matters will be taken Nov 8th.

Depends entirely on who counts those votes, doesn't it? Polls have always been used to influence outcome not report on actual preferences. There is no way that there would be 20 point swings in 24 hours, if there is we are doomed to be ruled over by idiots anyway.

10 posted on 08/09/2016 10:00:57 AM PDT by itsahoot (Trump kills PC--Hillary kills USA--Pick one.)
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The 8th is meaningless due to early voting.

How many here have committed to taking friends (not just family) to the polls.

This is about turnout.

The polls have to be flooded.


11 posted on 08/09/2016 10:05:29 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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