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1 posted on 05/09/2016 8:54:17 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

We are now a house divided.

The number who are riding in the cart now exceeds the number who are pulling the cart, and the riders can outvote the pullers.


2 posted on 05/09/2016 8:58:40 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shown, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.


The time has come, by the ballot or by the bullet is up to the g0vt but free we will be. As for all the naysayers, well, you don't count.

3 posted on 05/09/2016 8:59:40 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (politicians beware)
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I read this and honestly I thought it was very arcane, frankly. Both good points and bad points but in the end I didn’t really want to invest the time to weasel-out what was intended by all the obtuse abstraction.

I don’t condemn or commend it....only table it for sometime in the future I have nothing better to do.


4 posted on 05/09/2016 9:02:32 AM PDT by Gaffer
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And yet the government makes it a crime to advocate the violent overthrow thereof. Of course, that’s only if you fail to overthrow it.


5 posted on 05/09/2016 9:03:06 AM PDT by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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The way I look at the situation at hand:

If you love America and it’s people= Vote Trump

If you want to have Sharia Law; rapes; beheadings; killings= Vote Hillary

There is not another situation at hand...

GO.TRUMP.GO!!! ALL THE WAY TO THE OVAL OFFICE!!!


6 posted on 05/09/2016 9:03:53 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump; Trump; Trump; Trump; 100%)
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To: Lorianne

“But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.”

That is where we are. It is utterly clear that there is a design to end the United States and to make us a mere administrative district of a world government, or a NWO. We are being flooded with illegal migrants who openly ignore laws and hate our culture.
We are being asked to fight wars that have no relationship to American needs and interests.
Our economy is being strip mined. Our currency is being debased at the cyclic rate. The offices and agencies of government have been turned against political opponents.
We have secret courts, enforcing secret law, and the participants may not discuss it.
There is mass surveillance and spying on the citizenry and the American nation has been designated a “battlefield” legally.

Yes, there is a design. Trump is being sent. If he turns out to be a fake and just another tool of the conspiracy, we will either have to have an open revolt, or accept their plans for us.


12 posted on 05/09/2016 9:16:52 AM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,)
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“The cardinal virtues are the four principal moral virtues. All other virtues hinge on these four: prudence, justice, fortitude, and temperance.”

We’ve been patient and watchful for a quarter century.
Let’s summarize:

We’re trillions of dollars in debt due to profligate spending. The country is being overrun by aliens, and now adherents to the religion of peace, both imported by one branch of government with while another stands by and does nothing.
Our military is being turned into Cage Aux Folles. Americans look for work while being libeled by the legislators who sold their jobs. Congress has given the pResident his own platinum charge card on the US Treasury.
Partisan public servants break the law to protect their own and persecute their fellow Americans, political `enemies,’ without legal consequences.
Our foreign policy has us, for examples, supporting two opposing sides in the same fight while we leave Americans to die fighting and pleading for help ...

Thomas Paine put it more eloquently, but enough is enough.


14 posted on 05/09/2016 9:25:35 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: Lorianne

Good post.

Secession is not yet ripe, but certainly revolt is and the Constitution is the legal foundation and the Declaration of Independence is a good template for valid revolt and eventual secession if it comes to that.

But states as sovereign outside express constitutional confines, must first stand against and nullify unconstitutional federal acts which are by definition acts of tyranny and initiate financial independence from the feds..

The Declaration of Independence (D of I) gives us the steps “Prudence dictates” for revolt that hopefully succeeds without complete session.

The D of I is not mandatory authority but it is persuasive authority and probably the most enlightened document ever to show the requirements for valid session.

Parsing some of this article, we can see that the Declaration of Independence requires steps for valid secession
1) should not be “for light or transient causes”
2) requires a certain “patient sufferance” while “evils are sufferable”
3) notifying and submitting the facts of abuse “to a candid world” (27 specific abuses are listed in the D of I) and finally
4) “when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such Government.”

Again, the states have not even taken the first two steps in this revolt yet, which includes rejecting and nullifying unconstitutional federal acts knowing the feds will retaliate by withholding funds which the state is already prepared for by deciding to be financially independent of the bankrupt feds (shouldn’t be hard for the state to do that).

Let the revolt begin. May God bless America by defeating the unconstitutional part of the federal government and reinstating the Constitution, America’s only legal bulwark of political freedom, as the Supreme Law of the Land against the tyranny of the federal government.


15 posted on 05/09/2016 9:28:14 AM PDT by Jim W N
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There a few sources that I automatically disqualify. American Thinker and NRO come to mind in that category.


17 posted on 05/09/2016 10:12:38 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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