Posted on 04/27/2016 10:27:56 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright
I have a message for all the Trumpsters. Your behavior and antics in the past couple of months, and the antics of your "savior", The Donald, have made my decision about who to vote for, and who NOT to vote for in November easy.
If your guy is the nominee for the Republican Party, he WILL lose in November, and YOU WILL OWN IT. Because I will NEVER vote for that statist socialist, parasitic, steaming pile of obama.
Now, I've been told that JimRob is banning anyone who states publicly that they will not vote for trump. So be it. I have enjoyed Jim's friendship for many years, and I'll be sorry to lose it, but I WILL NOT surrender my principles that easily. Herewith is an article by Herschel Smith, that encapsulates my thoughts.
I have said for a very long time to my family and others that the experience of parents having and raising children isn’t really about the children. God will handle the children as He sees fit. It’s about the parents, and there are two experiences that test your mettle more than any other: marriage and children. It’s one of God’s way of sanctifying His own, but it has the opposite affect on others.
One reason I care about the election cycle isn’t because I think we can make a difference. Oh, we can in some ways, we can’t in others. We can make a difference in the medical care situation in the country, but we can’t in the global financial system. This discussion is saved for another time. But one thing the individual vote does at one and the same time is affect the soul and show the content of the soul of the voter. It’s a deeply moral act that has eternal consequences for the one who is given stewardship of the vote.
Now let me turn for a moment to a recent commentary by Jonah Goldberg. Sometimes I disagree vehemently with him, but other times he hits on all cylinders. This day the engine was running to perfection on the dynamometer.
This week there have been some cracks in the façade. Trump’s attacks on Heidi Cruz unsettled even Ann Coulter. And his abortion remarks are still sending tremors through the granite foundations of Trump can-do-no-wrong-ism. Joe Scarborough and Breitbart’s John Nolte are talking about what a bad week he’s having and gravely warning Trump to get his act together. As Jim Geraghty has been writing, the problem with such second thoughts is the assumption that something is amiss with Trump or his campaign. This is Trump. This is his campaign. The Trump we see before us is the same Trump. It’s a bit like when Barack Obama said that the Jeremiah Wright he saw denouncing America wasn’t the man he knew. That was nonsense. Obama knew exactly who Wright was, having attended his church for 20 years. It was only when Wright’s act moved to a larger national stage that all of a sudden he became inconvenient to Obama.
The analogy isn’t perfect, of course. But the basic point is the same. The Donald Trump of the last week is the exact same Donald Trump many of us saw a year ago or five years ago. He’s always been full of sh*t. He’s always been a total ignoramus when it comes to public policy, lacking the simple sense of patriotic duty to do his homework on the issues. He’s always been a nasty and boorish cad. He’s always pretended to be a conservative while working on liberal assumptions of what conservatives want to hear.
His “punish the women” comments were of a piece with his refusal to condemn the Klan on CNN. It’s not that he wants to punish women who have abortions — I’d bet he’s paid more abortion bills than he will ever sign — it’s that he thinks that’s what pro-lifers want to hear. It’s not that he’s a Klansman or that the pillowcases at Mara Lago come with eyeholes cut out in advance. It’s that Trump thinks lots of his fans like the Klan and he wants to pander to them. I have heard first-hand stories from people who’ve worked with Trump about how he disparages women’s appearance routinely. That’s who he is. If you’re attacking him because he retweeted a bad picture of Heidi, that’s not you being principled, it’s you getting cold feet. Indeed, I am sure that the same opportunism that has caused so many supposedly principled conservatives to hitch their wagons to Trump is now causing some of them to question their choices, not because Trump has changed but because the climate might be changing around them. By all means, if Trump continues to unravel (a huge if), please abandon Trump. But don’t think for a moment that the rest of us will automatically take your word for it when you say this or that statement changed your mind about the man. He hasn’t changed, your calculations have.
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Like all demagogues, he’s using his lies as a loyalty test for his followers. He’s exploiting his popularity and abusing the devotion of his fans to force them into going along with his fictions, until they are in so deep psychologically, they have no choice but to carry on. It’s an ancient psychological tactic of authoritarians, Mafia dons, and the like: Force your followers into sharing the blame for your misdeeds so that they can’t break ranks.
Jonah is right. He thinks we want to see women who have gotten abortions in the town center in stocks and chains. He’s pandering to the social right, but he missed on this, and he missed badly. His other positions – support for the second amendment, advocacy for closed borders – can only be assumed to be pandering as well.
Not to worry, though. Just about as soon as he said it, he triangulated his position again, to something like abortion laws are already set and we have to leave it that way. Trumps views on abortion aren’t the topic here. Trump is the topic. He is a mirror in which everyone sees what he or she wants to see, its just that the mirror has to be adjusted based on the onlooker and Trump isn’t really as good a triangulator as he is made out to be.
And that brings me to the conservative voters who have already cast their votes for Trump in the primaries heretofore. Do you remember when socialized medicine was the most important thing about the Obama administration, the holy grail of the progressives? It still is.
And yet, you have jettisoned that most important piece of your world view to support a man who sees things far differently than you, who supports socialized medicine, and who has said that the only thing he would change about the current system is to allow it to cross state lines.
Trump has woven you into his deception, his lies, his evil. And when socialized medicine is codified and solidified for you, your children, and your children’s children to the tenth generation of your progeny, when you see that your seed will hate you and this generation for what has been done to the country, it will be far too late.
Open wide, and suck it down. This is what you voted for, whether in the end it’s Hillary or Trump, or some replacement for Hillary. Own it. It’s yours. The Mafia don asked you to pull the trigger and do the deed. It’s no longer about him. Now it’s about you.
"Oh noes! FR is doomed because they support Donald Trump and squelch GOPe propaganda..."
Vote Trump
We “needed to win” against 0bama in 2012...but principles were much more important then, weren’t they?
The “principled” conservatives were “neverRomney”, but there’s a striking difference between what happened vs. what is happening now to the “neverTrump” conservatives.
Then? Few, if any, were banned.
Now? Zots, cheers, ridicule and high fives all around.
SMH
The difference now is that the so-called principled conservative during this election has run into the arms of the Uniparty establishment, exposing himself as a fraud, and Jim has expressed outrage at this betrayal, so any of teddy’s supporters who claim #nevertrump are complicit in the betrayal.
Thus these Cruznadian get zotTED!
The only members getting zotted are the ones who are functioning as de facto propagandists for the GOPe, "NeverTrump" fanatics who have become dupes of the GOPe. That especially includes Ted Cruz.
Jim Roobinson, the site owner, isn't obligated to publish endless delusional agitprop posted by frustrated Ted Cruz fanboys who can't let go of their inferior candidate.
If all these "NeverTrump" clowns want to do is help Hillary by trying to prop up a failed candidate (Ted Cruz) who has no chance at the GOP nomination, then the time has come to part ways, rhetorically speaking.
The membership of this community is standing with Donald Trump and the site owner. Those who are unwilling to do so at this time will be welcomed back with open arms someday when their delusion lifts. Having the GOPe involved in the GOP nomination process is tantamount to aiding and abetting the Enemy.
At this point, according to Jim, anyone who's "NeverTrump" shouldn't be surprised when they are ultimately excluded from the community.
The GOP nominee has been chosen by the People.
Vote Trump
What if he isn’t?
It’s already very clear that Ted Cruz is not an outsider, but rather an insider, and he always was.
Ted Cruz has already revealed himself as someone whom I never want to vote for, I don’t want him near the White House. I want his kind out of my government.
I am done being suckered by professional politicians that masquerade as conservatives.
But there were “neverRomney’s”, how is this any different? Romney was an avowed liberal (positions) with an R behind his name. We knew then that he was GOPe at best, that the GOPe were traitors. We knew we had little to no chance of rolling back many of 0bozo’s “accomplishments” with Romney.
0bozo had to go in 2012, yet those who stood fast in the face of FR’s official position with regards to Romney were not treated like this. There were arguments about 2+2=5 and all that, but nothing of this magnitude.
And this justifies the zotting, ridicule, personal attacks and subsequent harassment of long time FReepers simply for remaining principled conservatives? Regardless of differing opinions?
Oh wait, that’s just “passion”. All will be well when they come back to FR groveling on their knees for forgiveness and then once the “victors” are satiated and convinced, then there may be reconciliation.
Ok, got it.
meh, didn’t get past your opening judgmental invective.
Save yourself time and effort and post to someone who cares.
No. it doesn't show that at all.
The way I made it was working 5 years of mostly 14 hour days away from home on drilling locations to bring America cheap gasoline again so they could spend the extra 20 bucks a week on cheap Chinese made stuff. No holidays, no vacation time, self employed, few days off.
Break it down in hours, and I worked 11 years worth of 40 hour weeks in five years.
My stuff is paid off, but I live humbly, and I am living from job to job like anyone else.
During that period of prosperity I gave tens of thousands to charity, and truckloads of goods as well. My accountant chastized me for not keeping track of all that, and most of it did not get written off. I survived cancer in that time while still working, and worked surgery in around my work schedule. Some "days off". I also had a house fire--try working that schedule and coordinating contractors while you are 100 miles away. You don't know jack, but one thing is certain, I didn't "hold anyone down".
It says you can prosper even under a reprehensible regime, and I said I'd trade that prosperity (and the 400K+ total I paid in taxes) for having had a principled Conservative in the White House those five years. My net income, BTW, went from 250K/year to zero in a week when the success of our efforts became evident in the marketplace over a year ago, and I don't hear any pity for the tens of thousands of oilfield workers in the same boat.
smokin’ joe says “I gots mine, and eff you all while I keep you down.”
Not only is that NOT a quote from me, but "keep you down" is a socialist talking point. I didn't keep anyone "down".
Partly because of my efforts, and those of thousands like me, you are all paying half as much for gasoline as you were. How does that "keep you down?", or anyone for that matter? What y'all do with the extra you aren't shelling out for fuel is up to you.
Don't throw those OWS 'jewels' at me, leave them on the cop car. I'm not one of your 1%.
Ha!! I agree with you...!!
Continuing to read it still goes forward one insult after another. Is this an infantile school yard brawl? Has this site been relegated to one uppah insult gamesmanship? This is sad.
For the record I was a member back in 2000ish dropped for a number of years but still read the site. I came back having to create a new log in
But then I don't expect them to fess up. Thanks for Obama guys/s.
And illegals here...will not be running to their birth nations.
Not going to happen....and Trump can't/won't make it happen.
Well, we ain’t voting for GOPe fake Cruz.
Adios.
Good for you!
Ted Cruz & Carly Fiorina....Two evil, shyster, “Cold Fishes” that upset you when they say “Good Morning” to you!!! I cannot believe that Ted Cruz chose Carly Fiorina for his VP. Two “ice cold” birds of a feather, that will go down politcally together!!! Is there really more then one vote for these two absolute nutcases in Indiana?
Go Donald J. Trump for POTUS!!!
Well, after reading your post I will say that I disagree with any “never Trump” stance but I’d agree with the poster that said (and I can’t remember who it was so don’t ask me to courtesy ping him) I don’t think JR is banning anyone who is not going to vote for Trump. I think he’s just banning those who’ve said in the past that they would vote for Hillary (or Dems in general) out of spite. But I could be wrong there.
I’m intending to vote for Trump, even as a disappointed Cruz supporter, because really for the reasons against Trump in your post: ten generations from now I don’t want to be cursed for not doing everything I could to stop Hillary. Yes Trump is largely unknown but for this reason a vote for him by any true conservative can be rationalized, IMO. It’s not like he’s *known* to be a lying leftist, like Hillary is so known.
Granted of course, of any “record” to speak of about the man, he only recently has a record of supporting conservative ideals; before for many years, for many decades really he supported the opposite. The best anyone can reasonably say in retort to this fact is that he has “converted”.
I’m willing to give the convert claim a shot. It’s certainly better than nothing (which is what we have in Hillary)!
Now I don’t have any delusions or fantasies about him either, as, quite frankly, some on this thread seem to have about him. I’m pretty sure he will at least try to deport many illegals, and he will try to reform (not really repeal but reform) Obamacare in some ways, maybe making it more competitive via allowing competition across state lines. Like he said. He does have a “plan” to replace it (despite what those you cite say) but at the end of the day I don’t see him succeeding. (And yes, before someone bleats, “Cruz won’t either” I can see Cruz succeeding more on that front because he knows how to play the political games to get what he wants, and like it or not, that’s what needs to be done in DC to get anything done.)
No, Trump will try and fail. Not for lack of trying, and he will call what he eventually comes up with a “great deal” or some such self-aggandizing assessment, but in reality he will fail to substantially change Obamacare.
Similarly for “building the wall” and actually keeping the illegals out. He will fail on the wall as he realizes (if he doesn’t already) his first day in office he can’t just give orders and poof, things get done. The Dems won’t play that game like the Republican wimps let Obama play for the last 8 years. So he will fail at the wall and his “deportations” will essentially be amnesty as he’s said all along that he intends to just “let the good ones back”’in.
So how can a principled conservative vote for such a candidate? It’s quite simple, because while 10 generations from now may look back at a Trump presidency with regret they would surely curse the ground we are all buried in, should there be a Hillary presidency. It’s that simple. It’s pragmatic.
I know that’s a dirty word for some but it’s called reality.
I conclude with one final thought: how the moniker “Trumpsters” is any more offensive than “Cruzers” (or “Cruzbots” for that matter) is beyond me.
“Trumpanzee” is certainly childish but “Trumpster”? Really?
Talk about “drama queens”.
So... cowards, then.
Trump will not be what people that voted for him....expected.
He is a New Yorker....thru and thru.
I have opposed O-bummer being in the White House on the grounds that he is not eligible because he is not a NBC.
Cruz has the exact same problem and I will not be able to vote for him on the same grounds.
For any other office but not for President or Vice President.
I simply can not.
I notice how he’s calling us Trumpsters. It was was this kind of thing, combined with the TDS spam that made me say “Enough”. Including a TDS spammer that would constantly engage as a thread agitator.
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