Posted on 04/11/2016 7:54:01 PM PDT by reaganaut1
Donald Trump is right: The system is rigged. It’s rigged in favor of front-runners. That’s why Trump, who is leading the Republican nominating contest, has a larger percentage of delegates (46 percent) than of votes (37 percent). Unsurprisingly, Trump never mentions when the rules have helped him. He much prefers to whine and peddle conspiracy theories when they don’t.
Trump’s latest tantrum is over Colorado, where Ted Cruz just swept all 34 of the state’s available delegates. Trump is calling the results “totally unfair” and on Twitter he asked: “How is it possible that the people of the great State of Colorado never got to vote in the Republican Primary?” If Trump is so concerned about states’ not holding primaries, perhaps he should renounce his victory at Nevada’s caucuses.
Colorado is one of ten states and four territories that opted for caucuses or state conventions over primaries. That does not make it undemocratic. In fact, on March 1, in community centers, gymnasiums, and churches across the state, 60,000 Colorado Republicans attended 2,917 precinct caucuses to elect delegates to the county assemblies and congressional-district conventions that convened during the following weeks. The district conventions send 21 delegates to Cleveland; and at this weekend’s state convention, more than 600 people chosen by the county assemblies competed to be one of Colorado’s 13 statewide delegates. Nothing was “stolen.” This is how Colorado’s delegate-selection process works.
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...
You are so right... TRUMP is exposing ALL of the GOPe, Anti-American rat, "one-world" globalist vermin for who and what they really are.
The National Review is in reality "The National Rag"; shilling for the GOPe and pawning themselves off as "conservatives". They have all become a national laughingstock.
Many people are unhappy with it and want to change it. It is only when people see something in action that it occurs to enough at once that it ought to change. Its the nature of democracy. Now the ugliness is exposed this cycle. Now people are upset and people may well change it next cycle.
If Trump had been organized and won the delegates, I doubt you would complain.
This is both purely speculative and irrelevant. Perhaps both, neither, or one or the other of you might be hypocritical if the roles were reversed. But this speculation has no impact on the validity of the complaint.
Cruz earned for himself in Iowa a 'dirty' politician image... I do realize that Colorado rules were set up for a different candidate... back when Cruz was making the claim he was an outsider. But, what those that are NOT fixated on this primary season, will only see and hear is the fix was in. Colorado GOP rules by design were to suppress voter turnout.
Colorado GOP once again ensured the DIMs will take the state of Colorado come November. So Cruz got all the delegates but he did not win by the vote of the majority...
Notice I said NOT one thing about Trump.
Regrettably this has devolved into Trump supporters being empowered by no FR restrictions on their post behavior disregard for facts, honesty or civility.
Trying to inject any rationality much less conduct a real discussion is now a fool’s folly.
“I think Cruz is a better candidate and does not call names or insult everyone who disagrees with him.”
Then I take it you just threw a dart and picked Cruze without ever listening to him?
Because if you think he hasn’t said nasty things about his competitors, you need to go to see your audiologist for a hearing test! Even K-sick, who doesn’t like either Trump or Cruz, has said he thinks Ted is says some detestible (and often untrue) stuff ( and he’s been co operating wtih Trump in Michigan to see to it that Lyin’ Ted doesn’t pull a “colorado” there. From what I’ve read, Cruz is going to get zilch in Michigan. Couldn’t happen to a more “deserving” fellow!
I repeat the same point I made before.
All caps this time.
HAVING RULES DOES NOT MAKE SOMETHING MORALLY RIGHT.
The CO caucuses disenfranchised the voters. This is tyranny and a great moral wrong.
And you’re defending them and copy/paste repeating yourself by going around in circles, and then trying to deflect by attacking me.
Why?
The Donald has taught us all how to poison the well.
It seems to be his strength...
Oh shut up National Review. There used to be a day when I looked forward to your magazine showing up in my mailbox. The adult was in charge then.
How come everybody says what I want to say better. Good post.
Trump’s bootlickers Drudge and Hannity carry his later about rigged primaries.
See how a new website seeks to counter this newfangled Trumpkin duo.
http://socialnewswatch.com
Trump didn’t educate himself as to the different state laws regarding the nomination process?
Therefore, be it resolved that:
The Colorado Republican Party forbids any of its delegates to the Republican National Convention to vote for Donald Trump for president or vice president on the first ballot or any other ballot, and
The Colorado Republican Party asks its delegates to national convention to pledge on their honor to do everything in their power to help secure the presidential nomination for someone other than Donald Trump.
Is that not what you call fair and by the rules austingirl? The kind of fairness and fair play and pure hustle by Ted Cruz that you adore?
It sure is un-Democrat-ic to keep people NOT IN the party from voting for the nominee OF that party.
Why does any non-party member think they have some sort of “right” to be a part of a partisan nominating process?
For the past 4 election cycles in Colo. a caucus is held to elect delegate to county assemblies and from there county assemblies elect delegates to the state and district assemblies. At that point that's where the delegates to the RNC are elected--NOTHING NEW.
The Colorado GOP started holding non-binding straw polls to coincide with their caucuses in 2008. This meant that the Colo. GOP did not bind their delegates to the straw poll and delegates could pledge who they supported through the National Delegate Notice of Intent form. This "pledge" bound the delegates on the first round of balloting.
Keep in mind the reason the Colo. GOP did change their pref. poll format this election cycle back in August was not b/c of Trump but because of an RNC rule change in 2012 that mandated if a state GOP had any kind of strawpoll, that state GOP was required to bound its delegates to the result of that straw poll.
The new rule was 16(a)(1):
Any statewide presidential preference vote that permits a choice among candidates for the Republican nomination for President of the United States in a primary, caucuses, or a state convention must be used to allocate and bind the state’s delegation to the national convention in either a proportional or winner-take-all manner, except for delegates and alternate delegates who appear on a ballot in a statewide election and are elected directly by primary voters.
Since Colo. never bound delegates to the straw poll to begin with, they changed the format back in August of 2015 and ditched the strawpoll so their delegates could remain unbound.
Repeatedly over the last few weeks, Trump has been outmaneuvered by a Cruz campaign that has demonstrated exhaustive knowledge of the delegate-selection process, a vastly superior organization, and unflagging hustle. Cruz operatives were on the ground in Colorado eight months ago, preparing for the March 1 precinct caucuses. By contrast, Trump’s chief of operations in Colorado, hired in March, was in the state for only 48 hours before he was sacked — the casualty of a power struggle between Trump higher-ups — and this weekend’s last-ditch effort to secure at least a handful of delegates was so chaotic that Trump’s team ended up inadvertently directing votes toward Cruz delegates.
But this mayhem should come as no surprise. As Trump himself said in Wisconsin earlier this month, dismissing Cruz’s superior delegate operation in Louisiana: “I don’t care about rules, folks.” That bravado may win applause, but it won’t win a nomination.
If they go further and nominate some chump who didn't even run in the primaries... not sure what I will do.
Needless to say any nominee not selected by GOP primary voters will lose the general election regardless of what any FR poster does.
I stopped reading the national review after the published an article telling white working class people to die.
>“The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible,” the conservative writer says. “The white American under-class is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Trump’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin. What they need isn’t analgesics, literal or political. They need real opportunity, which means that they need real change, which means that they need U-Haul. If you want to live, get out of Garbutt [a blue-collar town in New York].”
http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/12/national-review-writer-working-class-communities-deserve-to-die/
>>Don’t move the goal posts. That is a logical fallacy.
You’ve misapplied the term. My goalposts have remained the same, my question the same; your response... still lacking.
>>You think what happened in Colorado is a great ethical, moral, and rational way for a state to select a nominee??
Yep, think it’s much better than open primaries. I like closed primaries. I like the caucus/convention model also, requiring long-term organization and dedication and deep support for the winner. Two things tend to result: a better candidate and one who demonstrates the skills to build for success in the general election.
To require delegates be selected via a hierarchy of gatherings of registered GOP voters is certainly ethical and moral and rational. Be Republican and care enough to show up for your candidate. It’s absurd to characterize that is not ethical, moral or rational.
I dislike shallow support, lack of organization, easy-absentee early voting, motor-voter registration.. everything along the road to internet voting on popular whim of the moment.
The party is over 150 years old, it’s comprised of office holders and workers devoting a great deal of their lives over many decades to their principles and building toward an ideal and a philosophy in political terms.
Anyone vying to be the standard-bearer for them needs to, ethically and morally, win their support.
This time, Trump ignored them, both in terms of effort and his presence; he skipped out. His call, he chose New York. But shouldn’t be any surprise to Trump, when Cruz didn’t and - apparently that mattered as well as the difference between the two candidates in energizing their supporters.
If Trump had more supporters who gave more effort, he would have won instead. It very likely would have helped if he had gone to the state and had built a competent organization there.
I’ve seen you in forum. Save it.
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