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How Donald Trump could shut down an open convention
MSNBC ^ | 11 Apr 2016 | Steve Kornacki

Posted on 04/11/2016 5:01:46 PM PDT by mandaladon

A contested Republican convention – the first in 40 years – may well be where the GOP race ends up; this is the first time since 1976 that genuine uncertainty has endured this deep into the presidential election process. But there’s one aspect that’s gone unnoticed and could silence the open convention chatter: Donald Trump may have an ace in the hole with Pennsylvania’s unbound delegates that could lift him past that magic delegate number of 1,237 by the end of the primary season.

Trump has had a tough few weeks, suffering a lopsided loss in Wisconsin and finding himself embarrassingly out-organized in Colorado. Still, he leads the Republican pack with 756 delegates, with Sen. Ted Cruz sitting in second with 545 and Gov. John Kasich and Sen. Marco Rubio (who by suspending his campaign retained many of his delegates) far back. And there’s more good news: The next six GOP contests will be staged on decidedly Trump-friendly turf. He’ll be the heavy favorite in all of them, starting in New York next week.

It wouldn’t be unreasonable for Trump’s share of the delegates in these contests to look something like this:

New York (4/19, 95 delegates): 85

Pennsylvania (4/26, 17 delegates*): 17

Maryland (4/26, 38 delegates): 32

Delaware (4/26, 16 delegates): 16

Connecticut (4/26, 28 delegates): 20

Rhode Island (4/26, 19 delegates): 10

The asterisk you see there represents Trump’s potential ace in the hole – more on that later. But for now, this would bring his delegate total to 936 heading into May. Things would get trickier then, with Indiana next up on May 3. There are arguments for why Cruz should win it and why Trump will.

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To: mac_truck

Chrysler had invested a lot of money in the are before the downturn in ‘08. Even without a bailout, that infrastucture would have been gobbled up by somebody.

I live near there. Yes, the restaurants and store are busy. One thing you can count on, a lot the union people spend most of what they make.

About 15 years ago, Chrysler announced that they were cutting overtime. Within 4 weeks, there were 500 bankruptcy filings because the workers were borrowing money as if that overtime income was going to last forever.


21 posted on 04/11/2016 6:56:00 PM PDT by digger48
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To: WENDLE

God, I pray that Paul Manafort enforces all the standing convention rules with an iron fist and refuses to permit TPTB from perpetrating any underhanded chicanery.
While I have been dismayed at how ill-prepared and disorganized Trump’s campaign has proven to be vis-a-vis “Lyin’ Ted,” Trump still represents to me our last hope!! We are on the brink, economically and militarily. Trump has all the common sense solutions to address these times.
At this point, I am clinging to the fact that Trump will at least go into Cleveland as the frontrunner—and has selected the best man possible to back him up in Paul Manafort. Manafort’s appointment speaks volumes about how Trump can back up his claim of picking the finest negotiators to get the job done.


22 posted on 04/11/2016 6:57:33 PM PDT by edie1960
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To: frankenMonkey

LOL!!

Fight PAC $$ with Trump fire.

;-)


23 posted on 04/11/2016 7:01:44 PM PDT by Jane Long (Go Trump, go! Make America Safe Again :)
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To: ichabod1; All
That is so true, if Trump decides two can play at that game, he can comp as many of the delegates as he wants for as many nights as he wants wherever he wants without a dime out of his pocket.

Yup, in one of his hotels, or on a golf course in Scotland.

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24 posted on 04/11/2016 7:19:46 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: digger48

American manufacturing is good for Main St. and its good for local government.

Glad to hear that Kokomo is in Trump country.


25 posted on 04/11/2016 7:20:09 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: lodi90

Out of the 127 delegates currently on this list, 20 of them were elected as delegates in 2012 (out of a total of 59 delegates elected). 2 of them are Cruz supporters now, 5 of them are uncommitted/undecided, and the other 13 say they’ll support whoever wins their district (or are leaning that way).

Cruz has 20 supporters on this list who say they’ll vote for him on the first ballot no matter what. Trump has 18, plus 2 who are leaning/equivocating on him and 2 who say they’ll support him only on 2nd and later ballots (because they’re going with the popular vote winner on the 1st).

Only 1 on this list mentions Kasich as his choice, but he’s still undecided. Even Rubio has 2 committed supporters on this list. I really don’t believe Kasich is going to get the 20% or so the PA polls are saying. Nobody in eastern PA cares about him, I can tell you that. I guess he’s playing for the Ohio border voters?


26 posted on 04/11/2016 7:24:55 PM PDT by JediJones (Cheatin' Trump got 37% of the vote in the primary but has 45% of the delegates! Bad system! Unfair!)
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To: edie1960

Trump has neither solutions nor common sense.


27 posted on 04/11/2016 7:28:00 PM PDT by JediJones (Cheatin' Trump got 37% of the vote in the primary but has 45% of the delegates! Bad system! Unfair!)
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To: Bon mots

The Colorado voters voted on delegates to the state convention, who voted on the national convention delegates. Everything was driven by the voters. No one was “selected.”


28 posted on 04/11/2016 7:29:09 PM PDT by JediJones (Cheatin' Trump got 37% of the vote in the primary but has 45% of the delegates! Bad system! Unfair!)
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To: mac_truck; All
I was listening to liberal describe a family trip to the Midwest he had just returned from, which included a stop in Kokomo Indiana. He impression was that it was a prosperous city but he couldn't figure out what supported all the retail stores and steak houses. Then he passed the big Chrysler transmission plant with its huge parking lots for their employees and he said he suddenly figured out why the city was doing so well. I waited for him to finish before saying...yeah that's exactly why Donald Trump wants to stop companies from moving to Mexico. His vexed expression was priceless. According to this author Indiana is shaping up to be a primary battleground state, but I think Trump will win it.

Yes, all the international business tycoons and pundits around here who have never signed the front of a paycheck or ever run a business, much less operated one overseas, profess to be the resident experts in international trade, currency devaluation, labor unions, contracts, taxes and relations with foreign diplomats.

They say, "Trump can't bring back manufacturing to the United States! The cheap Chinese crap we buy at Wal*Mart is more important than American jobs!"

29 posted on 04/11/2016 7:32:53 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: mac_truck
Indiana is a much redder, more Republican state than all the states surrounding it...an oasis of conservative common sense. Red, non-Southern states so far have ALL been Cruz country.


30 posted on 04/11/2016 7:34:07 PM PDT by JediJones (Cheatin' Trump got 37% of the vote in the primary but has 45% of the delegates! Bad system! Unfair!)
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To: mac_truck

Since we don’t live in a communist country, we’re not allowed to “stop” people from moving out. It’s called freedom.


31 posted on 04/11/2016 7:34:48 PM PDT by JediJones (Cheatin' Trump got 37% of the vote in the primary but has 45% of the delegates! Bad system! Unfair!)
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To: mac_truck

Also, Trump’s support in the 4 surrounding states to Indiana was 38, 36, 35 and 35%. Rubio’s votes combined with Cruz’ were enough to beat Trump in 2 of those, and come within 2.3% in the 3rd. The 4th state was Ohio, an outlier where Trump lost due to consolidation of the non-Trump vote on Kasich.

Indiana is going to Cruz.


32 posted on 04/11/2016 7:42:50 PM PDT by JediJones (Cheatin' Trump got 37% of the vote in the primary but has 45% of the delegates! Bad system! Unfair!)
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To: WENDLE

Is there anything in the rules that states that the nominations are closed before the first ballot? Could not a majority of delegates in eight states support the nomination of someone else on a subsequent ballot?


33 posted on 04/11/2016 7:51:34 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: mandaladon

Hey, if Trump gets 1237, and grabs the Pa. delegates to do it, then he’s the nominee. It’ll be time to line up behind the ol’ windbag and try to push him over the line against Hillary.


34 posted on 04/11/2016 7:51:53 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: BruceS; WENDLE

I believe that WENDLE’s point is that on the first ballot that Trump only needs a majority of those delegates authorized to vote. Since the only Trump and Cruz could be nominated for the first ballot those delegates that are pledged to vote for someone else would be forbidden to vote. Thus on the first ballot the majority would be counted only from those who voted for either Trump or Cruz. Trump would win this and there would be not second ballot.

This is an interesting point. Does “delegates authorized to vote” mean those that could vote on any particular ballot or those who are authorized to vote at any time during the convention? Under the first reading Trump would have a majority in a Trump/Cruz contest in the first ballot. Under the second reading Trump could be short of the majority of those delegates authorized to vote during the convention. I do not know which reading is correct.


35 posted on 04/11/2016 8:00:20 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
Thus on the first ballot the majority would be counted only from those who voted for either Trump or Cruz. Trump would win this and there would be not second ballot.

That is incorrect. An absolute majority of the delegates (1237) is required to win the nomination. If only 2000 delegates can vote on the first ballot because the rest are bound to candidates not put into nomination, Trump cannot win with 1000 delegates; he still has to get 1237, or it goes to a second ballot.

36 posted on 04/11/2016 8:06:47 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: mandaladon; usafa92; LibFreeUSA; GilGil; cba123; No Dems 2016; NKP_Vet; Trumpinator
Checkout this poll that shows Colorado republicans favored trump TWO to ONE over Cruz.

Colorado poll .. GOP

 Trump should pay a well respected pollster to prove these numbers are valid and shame the GOPe, 
and start a firestorm in his favor

37 posted on 04/11/2016 8:26:59 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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To: mandaladon

~~Go Trump, GO!!~~~~Go Trump, GO!!~~~~Go Trump, GO!!~~~~Go Trump, GO!!~~


38 posted on 04/11/2016 8:47:47 PM PDT by Gator113 (~~Go Trump, GO!!~~ Just livin' life my way. Don't worry, everything's gonna be alright. 👍)
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To: Cobra64
Yes, all the international business tycoons and pundits around here who have never signed the front of a paycheck or ever run a business, much less operated one overseas, profess to be the resident experts in international trade, currency devaluation, labor unions, contracts, taxes and relations with foreign diplomats.

Yep, and our elected politicians are no better.

They say, "Trump can't bring back manufacturing to the United States! The cheap Chinese crap we buy at Wal*Mart is more important than American jobs!"

Exactly...and the folks working in those foreign factories aren't spending their paychecks on local Main Streets or paying property taxes to the county assessor to fix our roads, schools, and hospitals either.

39 posted on 04/11/2016 8:51:50 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: All
By now we all know that the rules for this convention will be written just prior to this convention. Here's yet another way they can (and will) screw Trump:

----- Change the rules to require 1499 delegates, not 1237 delegates. ----

Let's say Trump wins 1237 delegates. That makes him the "Presumptive Nominee." It doesn't make him the CERTAIN Nominee, which only happens after they vote at the convention....

After June 7, the #NeverTrump crowd will know how many delegates Cruz has earned (let's say 1000), and how many Trump delegates are actually Cruz-loyal Trojan Horses (let's say 500). That means they have 1500 Cruz-loyal delegates, and 500 of those are bound to vote for Trump on the first Nominee ballot.

It takes a majority (1237) to adopt or change the rules of the convention. However, these delegates are NOT required to vote on the rules in a way that is LOYAL to the candidate they are bound to. Therefore, the 500 Trump-bound delegates who are Cruz Trojan Horses can vote to change the 1237-rule to become a 1499-rule because they know Cruz has 1500 votes on the second ballot. So they take the first vote, and it goes 1237 Trump, 1000 Cruz, etc... Trump doesn't make the 1499 threshold, so they go to a second ballot. On the second ballot, the vote becomes 1500 Cruz, 737 Trump, and Cruz becomes the nominee.

40 posted on 04/11/2016 9:03:47 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Wolverines!!)
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