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FBI breaks into San Bernardino gunman's iPhone without Apple's help, ending court case
Fox News ^ | March 28, 2016

Posted on 03/28/2016 3:36:30 PM PDT by McGruff

The U.S. Justice Department announced Monday it has successfully accessed data stored on the iPhone that belonged to the San Bernardino gunman without Apple's help, ending the court case against the tech company.

The surprise development effectively ends a pitched court battle between Apple and the Obama administration.

The government told a federal court Monday, without any details, that it accessed data on gunman Syed Farook's iPhone and no longer requires Apple's assistance.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: apple; bhodoj; bravosierra; counterterrorism; fbi; fuapple; israel; jihadinamerica; kabuki; sanbernardino
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To: McGruff

I don’t understand why Apple wouldn’t break into this phone without telling the government how they did it.


101 posted on 03/28/2016 5:42:38 PM PDT by Phillyred
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To: P-Marlowe
They hired a third party contract hacker. He probably busted in in a couple of hours. They’ve been trying to get Apple to do it for months. Apple refused because they wanted people to think it couldn’t be done. They knew it could. Now we all know it can.

No, they've been working on it for months. They are not a contract "hacker." Cellebrite is a Israeli company with offices on multiple continents who sells the tools to open different mobile devices to various law enforcement agencies. The FBI has had a contract with Cellebrite for years. . . and has purchased their tools before. Developing such a forensic tool requires a lot of testing before it can be used. . . because it is susceptible to discovery in any trial that may result from evidence recovered using it, and challenges from defense attorneys and their IT experts who may claim it is invalid, or was used to plant evidence.

I am pretty sure they did it they way I described above as that is the only way they could do it. It will only work on the iPhone 5 and 5C. . . not any later version of the iPhone/iPad.

102 posted on 03/28/2016 5:43:42 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: dmet; McGruff

Maybe they already —did—.


103 posted on 03/28/2016 5:43:50 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: McGruff; DesertRhino; Grampa Dave; onyx

GMTA, Jack Bauer post then Chloe O’Brien post right after!


104 posted on 03/28/2016 5:55:10 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: Phillyred
I don’t understand why Apple wouldn’t break into this phone without telling the government how they did it.

That's not what the Court Ordered. The Court order required Apple defeat its own lock-out system and give that software to defeat that system to the FBI.

In addition, if Apple had done that, it would be considered a Forensic Lab, and would be required to backup exactly what it did in court, giving the defense counsel of anyone arrested using the evidence gleaned from such a search, the code used to investigate exactly what that code was capable of doing such as planting evidence, etc. It would be impossible to keep it secret. This has actually happened in the past. . . a secret method was used to decrypt data on a Blackberry to convict a child molester, under the agreement the software used to unlock the data would be destroyed. The judge ordered it released to the defense under seal. The Defense's IT guy thought it was cool and kept a copy and shared with a few buddies, the defense lawyer kept a copy, and after the trial, the press sued to have it released under the "Public's Right to Know" and the judge agreed and ordered copies released to the press. . . despite the iron clad agreement it was going to be a one-time exception and it was guaranteed to be destroyed after use. OOPS!

105 posted on 03/28/2016 5:56:57 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: Drago
Thanks for the security hardware explanation, PING! Am thinking of going with an alpha-numeric passcode....even tho. it is a PITA when I reboot the phone (I just use TouchID for normal unlocks).

Keep using the TouchID. However, if you are required to turn over your iPhone under any kind of a search warrant or arrest situation, make sure you turn it off. On restart it will require the passcode before your fingerprint will work again. While they could, conceivably, FORCE you to use your fingerprint, they cannot force you to remember or enter your passcode.

106 posted on 03/28/2016 6:01:37 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: IndispensableDestiny

I’m wondering if Apple will introduce more hardware anti-tampering features in the future.

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I hope so. I read somewhere yesterday that they’re also going to do something with iCloud.


107 posted on 03/28/2016 6:11:53 PM PDT by goodwithagun (March 3, 2016: The date FReepers justified the "goodness" of Planned Parenthood.)
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To: Cyman

I agree. Apple helped behind the scenes.

Tim Cook is an obama tool and ass kisser. Like we all believe this BS...


108 posted on 03/28/2016 6:16:17 PM PDT by max americana (fired every liberal in our company at every election cycle..and laughed at their faces (true story))
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To: Phillyred

Apple DIDN’T do it, a third party did.


109 posted on 03/28/2016 6:24:30 PM PDT by Coronal
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To: Swordmaker

That sorta explains the “way no TouchID” on reboot Q. I always had at the back of my mind. I think courts have ruled that giving them a password is covered under the 5th amendment self-incrimination rules. I guess no rulings on “forced fingerprints” yet. I guess Apple’s lawyers for looking out for me with the “force you to enter a passcode on reboot/turn-on” feature! ;-)


110 posted on 03/28/2016 6:26:04 PM PDT by Drago
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To: WildHighlander57

Lets Hope they did.


111 posted on 03/28/2016 6:26:09 PM PDT by dmet
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To: McGruff
That was easy. So how hard do you think it would have been for a hacker to break into a private server in the closet of and acting Secretary of State

I'm just saying.

112 posted on 03/28/2016 6:28:07 PM PDT by Cannoneer ( "..raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair.." GW)
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To: DesertRhino

Notice,
I mentioned NSA not any other 3 letter agency in the states.

Thanks for the ping and good laugh!


113 posted on 03/28/2016 6:28:56 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (I 'm just another low info/stupid & evil/vile/crazy Trump supporter wanting to select my candidate!!)
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To: McGruff

Several password suggestions: “iluvboysngoats”, “foreverhate”, “72virgingoats” or “Vote4O”. Who knows?


114 posted on 03/28/2016 6:34:13 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so that others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Drago
That sorta explains the “way no TouchID” on reboot Q. I always had at the back of my mind. I think courts have ruled that giving them a password is covered under the 5th amendment self-incrimination rules. I guess no rulings on “forced fingerprints” yet. I guess Apple’s lawyers for looking out for me with the “force you to enter a passcode on reboot/turn-on” feature! ;-)

The courts have ruled that fingerprints are fair game for law enforcement for ID purposes but not for unlocking purposes, but that is a gray area where an incidental fingerprint is concerned. In other words, they can't use fingerprints they take directly from a person for ID to unlock anything that is locked with a fingerprint. But they are undecided, or actually have not really ruled, on fingerprints found elsewhere being processed, converted into a facsimile finger, and then being used to unlock a fingerprint sensor lock.

The courts are also undecided about grabbing your hand and pressing your iPhone/iPad to your fingers attempting to unlock your fingerprint protected device, as that is not a "fingerprint taken for ID purposes." There may be a case someday about that, but it hasn't happened yet.

115 posted on 03/28/2016 6:35:18 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: McGruff

My guess is that the FBI originally had access, changed the I.D. and password and lost them. Then all the nonsense to force Apple to help. And now, after going through tons of paper waste from the office, the FBI found the scrap of paper where they scribbled the I.D. and password. Bunch of keystone cops.


116 posted on 03/28/2016 6:36:32 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Grampa Dave

Plausible ......

If its made by man its fallible .


117 posted on 03/28/2016 6:49:17 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Lazamataz

You da man Laz ....


118 posted on 03/28/2016 6:53:18 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Cyman

I read last week that an Israeli company had done it for them........


119 posted on 03/28/2016 6:57:13 PM PDT by Red Badger (The Left doesn't like him and the Right doesn't like him, so he must be the right guy for the job...)
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To: McGruff

Somebody called their friend in the NSA, who cracked the phone in 5 minutes.

This was never about terrorists or getting help hacking a phone. This is about the government being able to grab any person or company and saying, “You work for us now.” Like hell. I’m not real big on Apple or their boss (current or former) but they were spot-on with this.

Complying with this court order means that Apple would’ve been avalanched with them and it would’ve set precedence that the govt. is free to grab any individual or company and get free use of their manpower and resources. I just cannot believe the number of FR people who think it’s OK for the government to Shanghai anybody they want into an indentured servant.


120 posted on 03/28/2016 8:07:59 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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