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Latest Survey Finds 25% of French Teenagers Are Muslims
PJ Media ^ | March 14, 2016 | Michael Gurfinkel

Posted on 03/14/2016 1:18:11 PM PDT by Kaslin

The French see René Descartes, a 17th century philosopher, scientist, and mathematician, as the truest expression of their national mind. I am afraid they are right.

Descartes rejected authority in intellectual life and insisted on reconstructing knowledge on plain sense and strict reasoning, hence his famous motto, cogito ergo sum (“I think and therefore I am”). However, he also disdained experience as long as it could not be boiled down into logical and mathematical terms. This approach, so much at odds with the empirical and pragmatic approach favored in the Anglo-Saxon world, is indeed a hallmark of French culture -- including politics.

The French elites relish in abstract, “élégant,” symmetrically organized concepts; they have problems with hard, rough, irregular facts. And should it come to pass that facts do not fit with concepts, they would rather ignore the former than question the latter. Even if major aspects of reality are being denied in the process, and the concepts themselves turned into inert dogmas or voided of any meaning.

Such a tendency was worrisome enough in the past, as some of the greatest French authors or thinkers realized, from Alexis de Tocqueville to Hippolyte Taine to Marc Bloch. It grew into an intractable problem after 1945, when France was reorganized as a statist nation, and a new administrative elite, engineered and trained by meritocratic academic institutions like Sciences Po (Political Science Schools), Ecole Normale Superieure (the Higher School for Education), and above all, Ecole nationale d’Administration (National School of Administration) engulfed the political class. Admission to ENA -- through competitive examination -- and graduation from ENA depend largely on mastering the required conceptual framework and never departing from it.

As an average, meritocratic grand schools provide about 70% of the political parties leaders and members of cabinet.

One of the most striking cases of reality denial in contemporary France is demography: issues like birthrate, life expectancy, immigration, and emigration. On the face of it, you can hardly ignore such things, since they constantly reshape your environment and your way of life. Even without resorting to statistics, you are bound to perceive, out of day-to-day experience, what is the current balance between younger and older people, how many kids are to be found at an average home, the ethnicity or religion of your neighbors or the people you relate to at work or in business.

The French elites, however, either Right or Left, managed for five decades at least to dismiss the drastic demographic changes that had been taking place in their country, including the rise of Islam, since they clashed with too many political concepts -- or fantasies -- they had been brainwashed into.

The superiority of the “French social model” ; the unique assimilative capacity of French society; equality for equality’s sake; the primacy of individual values over family values; secularism; francophonie, or the assumption that all French-speaking nations in the world were a mere extension of France, and that all nations that defined themselves as“Francophone” did speak French or were subdued by French culture; and finally la politique arabe et islamique de la France, a supposed political and strategic affinity with the Arab and Muslim world.

One way for the elites to deny demographics was to reject ethnic-related investigation on legal or ethical grounds. Until 2004, ethnic, racial, and religious statistics were not allowed under French law -- ostensibly to prevent a return of Vichy State-style racial persecutions. Even as the law was somehow relaxed, first in 2004 and again in 2007, many statisticians or demographers insisted on retaining a de facto ban on such investigations.

The issue turned into a nasty civil war among demographers, and especially within INED (the French National Institute for Demographic Studies) between a“classic” wing led by older demographers like Henri Léridon and Gérard Calot and then by the younger Michèle Tribalat, and a liberal or radical wing led by Hervé Le Bras. In a recent interview with the French weekly Le Point, Tribalat dryly observed that the “well-connected” Le Bras described her as “the National Front Darling,” an assertion that“destroyed her professional réputation.” The son of a prestigious Catholic historian, Le Bras is indeed a very powerful man in his own right, who managed throughout his own career to accumulate tenures, honors, and positions of influence both in France and abroad.

The irony about his accusation against Tribalat is that, while intent to discuss the issue of immigration, she is an extremely cautious and conservative expert when it comes to actual figures. She has always tended to play down, in particular, the size of the French Muslim community.

In 1997, I observed in an essay for the Middle East Quarterly that figures about French Islam were simply chaotic: there was too much discrepancy between sources:

The Ministry of Interior and Ined routinely speak of a Muslim population in France of 3 million. Sheikh Abbas, head of the Great Mosque in Paris, in 1987 spoke of twice as many -- 6 million. Journalists usually adopt an estimate somewhere in the middle: for example, Philippe Bernard of Le Monde uses the figure of 3 to 4 million. The Catholic Church, a reliable source of information on religious trends in France, also estimates 4 million. Arabies, a French-Arab journal published in Paris, provides the following breakdown: 3.1 million Muslims of North African origin, 400,000 from the Middle East, 300,000 from Africa, 50,000 Asians, 50,000 converts of ethnic French origin, and 300,000 illegal immigrants from unknown countries. This brings the total to 4.2 million. One can state with reasonable certainty that the Muslim population of France numbers over 3 million (about 5 percent of the total French population) and quite probably over 4 million (6.6 percent).

Nineteen years later, accuracy has hardly improved in this respect. All sources agree that France as a whole underwent a moderate demographic growth: from 57 to 67 million, a 15% increase. (Throughout the same period of time, the U.S. enjoyed a 22% population increase, and China, under a government-enforced one-child policy, a 27% increase.) All sources agree also that there was a much sharper increase in French Muslim demographics -- and that, accordingly, the moderate national growth may in fact just reflect the Muslim growth.

For all that, however, there are still no coherent figures about the Muslim community.

According to CSA, a pollster that specializes in religious surveys, 6% of the citizens and residents of France identified with Islam in 2012: about 4 million people out of 65 million. IFOP, a leading national pollster, settled for 7% in 2011: 4.5 million. Pew concluded in 2010 a figure of 7.5%: 4.8 million. The CIA World Factbook mentioned 7% to 9% in 2015: from 4.6 to almost 6 million out of 66 million. INED claimed as early as 2009 an 8% figure: 5.1 million. Later, INED and French government sources gave 9% in 2014: 5.8 million.

Over two decades, the French Muslim population is thus supposed to have increased by 25% according to the lowest estimations, by 50% according to median estimations, or even by 100% if one compares the INED and government figures of 1997 to those of 2014, from 3 million to almost 6 million.

This is respectively almost two times, three times, or six times the French average population growth.

An impressive leap forward, whatever the estimation. But even more impressive is, just as was the case in 1997, the discrepancy between the estimates. Clearly, one set of estimates, at least, must be entirely erroneous.

And it stands to reason that the lowest estimates are the least reliable.

First, we have a long-term pattern according to which, even within the lowest estimates, the Muslim population increase is accelerating. One explanation is that the previous low estimates were inaccurate.

Second, low estimates tend to focus on the global French population on one hand and on the global French Muslim population on the other hand, and to bypass a generational factor. The younger the population cohorts, the higher the proportion of Muslims. This is reflected in colloquial French by the widespread metonymical substitution of the word “jeune” (youth) for “jeune issu de l’immigration” (immigrant youth), or “jeune issu de la diversité” (non-European or non-Caucasian youth).

According to the first ethnic-related surveys released in early 2010, fully a fifth of French citizens or residents under twenty-four were Muslims.

Proportions were even higher in some places: 50% of the youth were estimated to be Muslim in the département (county) of Seine-Saint-Denis in the northern suburbs of Paris, or in the Lille conurbation in Northern France. A more recent survey validates these numbers.

An investigation of the French youths' religious beliefs was conducted last spring by Ipsos. It surveyed nine thousand high school pupils in their teens on behalf of the French National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS) and Sciences Po Grenoble, and was released on February 4, 2016, by L’Obs, France’s leading liberal newsmagazine. Here are its findings:

Such figures should deal the death blow to demographic deniers. Except that once proven wrong, deniers do not make amends. Rather, they contend that since there is after all a demographic, ethnic, and religious revolution, it should be welcomed as a good and positive thing. Straight from fantasy to surrender.


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To: DiogenesLamp; Jeff Head

I don’t think any western European nation has the political will to do anything about it. If they did, they wouldn’t have let themselves get in this situation to begin with. Europe as a cultural entity died in two world wars. Suicide, actually.

The muslims are just burying the corpse.


21 posted on 03/14/2016 1:34:27 PM PDT by henkster
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To: Kaslin

Liberté, égalité, fraternité.

That’s France and the French Revolution.

America was life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

And Liberty, E Pluribus Unum and In God We Trust.

One of the dumbest comments I’ve seen about Trump was Trump is French Revolution II.


22 posted on 03/14/2016 1:34:54 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: doug from upland

Unfortunately, they are going to lose it to Islam.

And, America has idiot socialist youth who are trying to lose our country to socialism/marzism non of which they have a clue about. Youth is an idiot time in one’s life for some.


23 posted on 03/14/2016 1:35:18 PM PDT by Bitsy
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To: Kaslin

France will soon be whining that we should sacrifice a sea of American blood to save it — yet again. And you can bet we’ll get the same amount of gratitude as we got in the 20th Century if we heed the call.


24 posted on 03/14/2016 1:38:57 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Jeff Head

They waited too long.

And also because they did not take God or religion seriously, they failed to understand that the Muslims do.


25 posted on 03/14/2016 1:39:10 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Kaslin

25%?

France is already gone, then.


26 posted on 03/14/2016 1:39:21 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, R)
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To: Kaslin

And no one will rescue France this time.


27 posted on 03/14/2016 1:40:56 PM PDT by profit_guy
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To: Sgt_Schultze
And we should seriously consider withdrawing from NATO. If the EU is intent on devolving into chaos and anarchy, we shouldn’t be forced into another European based world war. Since the leadership and the electorate in the EU aren’t serious about preserving their way of life, our citizens shouldn’t have to pay that price for Europe again.

No argument from me. Wasn't NATO created to protect against the Soviet Bloc? The way things are going with an Islamic takeover of Europe, i'm sorta leaning towards letting the Ruskies have it. :)

28 posted on 03/14/2016 1:44:05 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Kaslin

And no one will rescue France this time.


29 posted on 03/14/2016 1:44:51 PM PDT by profit_guy
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To: henkster
I don’t think any western European nation has the political will to do anything about it. If they did, they wouldn’t have let themselves get in this situation to begin with. Europe as a cultural entity died in two world wars. Suicide, actually.

They let it happen because they aren't suffering quickly enough from their bad ideas. Their ideas will bring suffering, but it doesn't happen fast enough for people to link them to the bad ideas which caused them.

A lot of Europe's Socialism has been paid for with borrowed money, and US Defense spending.

If they had been paying their own bills, I dare say they would have better attitudes and more common sense.

30 posted on 03/14/2016 1:46:31 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Kaslin

Better save what can be before the Kiddy-phate grows up and burns all of the art in the Louvre when they kick off Frankistan in 2030.


31 posted on 03/14/2016 1:50:05 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Kaslin

25% is more then enough to end France permanently. The French people have been SOLD OUT by their ruling elite. Bye bye


32 posted on 03/14/2016 1:57:12 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 -- 43 BCE))
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To: doug from upland
France fought to save their country from Germany. Unfortunately...

Unfortunately, they didn't fight very hard.

33 posted on 03/14/2016 2:11:49 PM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: Kaslin

The Muslim Brotherhood’s silent Jihad of outbreeding the west continues.


34 posted on 03/14/2016 2:13:14 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: Kaslin

bump


35 posted on 03/14/2016 2:17:48 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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To: Kaslin

Europe is dead. It just doesn’t know it yet.


36 posted on 03/14/2016 2:20:48 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: Kaslin

I was going to say that next time, Germany gets to KEEP France. But Germany does not appear that far behind in Muslim infestation!


37 posted on 03/14/2016 2:39:47 PM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: Kaslin

Unless there is an incredibly bloody war now not later it is over for France. So let’s face it...it’s OVER.


38 posted on 03/14/2016 2:58:47 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job...)
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To: doug from upland

At the risk of quibbling, they are giving it to Islam.


39 posted on 03/14/2016 3:34:33 PM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends.)
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To: Kaslin
One way for the elites to deny demographics was to reject ethnic-related investigation on legal or ethical grounds. Until 2004, ethnic, racial, and religious statistics were not allowed under French law.

How very Marxian. Simply deny your opponents the ability to counter your nonsense with actual facts.

Sounds like the Democrat Party.

40 posted on 03/14/2016 3:38:24 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Socialism is the political version of AIDS. No Cure. Always Fatal. Contagious If Unprotected.)
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