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LIBERALS WANT YOUR CAR KEYS
National Review ^ | 3/9/16 | Daniel Gelernter

Posted on 03/11/2016 7:09:11 AM PST by gridlock

Can computerized cars drive better than we can?

The cover story of Time’s March 7 issue makes “the increasingly compelling case for why you shouldn’t be allowed to drive,” claiming that computerized cars are (or, it is hoped, will be) safer drivers than humans, and so the logical thing is to ban humans from driving altogether. The plan is simple and familiar: First you use behavioral economics (higher taxes) to discourage a certain behavior — think of smoking — and once it’s gotten really unpopular, you ban it. Before you know it, you can’t smoke in Central Park.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: cars; freedom; redbarchetta
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

To genuinely intelligent people, yes. But I’m talking about leftist intellectuals here.


81 posted on 03/11/2016 10:22:25 AM PST by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Ah. Of course.


82 posted on 03/11/2016 10:27:11 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (#BlackoLivesMatter)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
The song was inspired by the futuristic short story “A Nice Morning Drive”, written by Richard Foster

Right! Great story, actually - I had sort of assumed that the vehicles chasing the narrator were cops. Not so, they just had state permission to kill him.

It was already my favorite Rush song when I woke up one morning to find that (1) I am somebody's white-haired uncle now, (2) I do have a country place, (3) it does have a garage with a car carefully preserved for my nephew, and (4) there really is a one-lane bridge between me and the highway. Yikes... Pity the car isn't a red Barchetta, though. If it were the young whippersnapper would never get his grubby fingers on it...

83 posted on 03/11/2016 10:33:54 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: lacrew

Good points.

Very aggressive drivers in these parts. The driverless cars are going to leave at least one car length between themselves and the car they are following. Drivers in manual cars are going to take advantage of that fact.

When they move into that space, the automatic car is going to brake, and leave even more space. Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat, and before you know it, automatic cars are jamming up the commute and their drivers are pissed off.

At that point those drivers will take it out of auto and drive manually.

Only time I’d ever use an computer-driven car would be inebriated, on the way home from the bar. (if permitted by law)


84 posted on 03/11/2016 10:49:27 AM PST by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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To: discostu
Nobody said the monitoring agencies would have to be watching every single car every moment of every day. Maybe it would be selective; "I wonder what Joe Citizen is up to today. I know there's a Trump rally near him ...".

The fleet monitoring systems I'm familiar with don't hash anything; they just gather the location data that is being reported to the driver through his in-vehicle GUI. It's eminently doable.

I'll keep that card. In fact, I may double down on it.

85 posted on 03/11/2016 10:50:56 AM PST by IronJack
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To: gridlock

At some point car insurance companies may make it unaffordable to drive. The government may not have to do anything. I would like the technology just so I could have the car meet me for pick up if I parked far away. Drunk driving is one thing that would be greatly reduced.


86 posted on 03/11/2016 10:57:28 AM PST by Phillyred
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To: VTenigma

You didn’t actually present a premise, so there was nothing to refute.

The cars would still have to be communicating with a central servers, which is very much NOT the design anybody is working on. Any technological ignorance here is coming from the paranoids who keep adding “features” to these cars that aren’t in anybody’s plans.

Don’t really care about your skills. Not part of the discussion.


87 posted on 03/11/2016 11:18:12 AM PST by discostu (This unit not labeled for individual sale)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Well that’s the silliest damn sentence on the thread. If they can’t do something because it’s logistically and physically impossible they HAVE to concern themselves with it, it’s impossible not to.


88 posted on 03/11/2016 11:19:26 AM PST by discostu (This unit not labeled for individual sale)
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To: IronJack

Except that’s EXACTLY what people are predicting. All the paranoid ravings revolve around the government deciding you don’t need to go to the liquor store today, you need to go to the gym, and similar social engineer stuff. If they aren’t watching every single car every moment of every day they can’t do that.

The fleet monitoring systems you’re familiar involve the car sending their GPS data to the central server. Since these self driving car systems don’t HAVE a central server that couldn’t happen.

And you’ll be doubly wrong. I’ve been poopooing apocalyptic predictions for 30 years, I’ve never been wrong. The paranoids have ALWAYS been wrong.


89 posted on 03/11/2016 11:22:27 AM PST by discostu (This unit not labeled for individual sale)
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To: discostu
If they can’t do something because it’s logistically and physically impossible they HAVE to concern themselves with it, it’s impossible not to.

You are applying logic to a situation where none exists.

Point in fact.

This nation's government needs a reboot. Badly.

90 posted on 03/11/2016 12:02:29 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (#BlackoLivesMatter)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

All depends on what you think they want to get out of climate change. I personally think it’s like the wars on poverty and drugs, they don’t give a damn about the weather, but it a nice excuse to raise taxes and declare a good chunk of the population the enemy.

Yeah, it needs a reboot. But that ain’t gonna happen, they found out that if you tax the population enough we’re too busy trying to put food on the table to have time to rebel.


91 posted on 03/11/2016 12:06:14 PM PST by discostu (This unit not labeled for individual sale)
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To: discostu
Okey doke. You just go on trusting that no one will ever abuse this technology, and that not driving our own cars is a great idea whose time has come.

I'll be the Luddite on the other side of the barricade.

92 posted on 03/11/2016 12:23:05 PM PST by IronJack
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To: discostu
I personally think it’s like the wars on poverty and drugs, they don’t give a damn about the weather, but it a nice excuse to raise taxes and declare a good chunk of the population the enemy.

Exactly my point in the post you thought was silly. Perhaps I misstated the thought.

They don't give a hoot about what they are saying their concerns are. They are only concerned with how it makes them look...lines their pockets...gives them power, etc, etc.

93 posted on 03/11/2016 12:26:06 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (#BlackoLivesMatter)
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To: IronJack

I never said no one will ever abuse the technology. I said it CAN’T be abused the way the paranoids keep insisting it will be. And not driving your own car IS a great idea whose time has come.


94 posted on 03/11/2016 12:28:50 PM PST by discostu (This unit not labeled for individual sale)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Yep, the NSA data center.


95 posted on 03/11/2016 12:29:20 PM PST by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Well self driving cars aren’t really an idea being driven (ha) by the government. It’s really the tech companies and the consumers that are pushing it. American are tired of the daily commute, and companies know that this is a feature that will sell. Government right now is one of the hurdles these companies have to navigate.


96 posted on 03/11/2016 12:30:36 PM PST by discostu (This unit not labeled for individual sale)
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To: lacrew

If I see a self driving car coming the other way, why would I yield to it? The car will always take the shoulder or drive off the road to avoid a collision.

In the Kingdom of the Blind, the one-eyed man is King.


97 posted on 03/11/2016 12:40:29 PM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: gridlock

Sure, some liberal will want to force the use of driverless cars, probably before the technology is perfected....

Other liberals will be angry that they won’t get the traffic enforcement revenue.


98 posted on 03/11/2016 12:40:39 PM PST by CSM (White wine sipping, caviar munching, Georgetown cocktail circuit circulating, Perrier conservative.)
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To: discostu
Americans are tired of the daily commute, and companies know that this is a feature that will sell.

I love driving.

The more self driving cars there are, the better. That makes their behavior very predictable and thus easier for me to scoot around them on my way to work.

99 posted on 03/11/2016 12:42:42 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (#BlackoLivesMatter)
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To: mountainlion

“Under Agenda 21 we will either be moved out of the country to concentration camps or eliminated as UN Agenda 21 wants to reduce world population by 85%.”

Qaddhafi tried that on the Libyans which resulted in very disturbing consequences - for him and his NWO buddies.


100 posted on 03/11/2016 12:45:00 PM PST by sergeantdave ( If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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