Baby You Can Drive My Car Nanny State PING!
Posted on 03/11/2016 7:09:11 AM PST by gridlock
Can computerized cars drive better than we can?
The cover story of Time’s March 7 issue makes “the increasingly compelling case for why you shouldn’t be allowed to drive,” claiming that computerized cars are (or, it is hoped, will be) safer drivers than humans, and so the logical thing is to ban humans from driving altogether. The plan is simple and familiar: First you use behavioral economics (higher taxes) to discourage a certain behavior — think of smoking — and once it’s gotten really unpopular, you ban it. Before you know it, you can’t smoke in Central Park.
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They won’t have to control 100 million cars at any one time. That’s a silly argument.
The cars will have autonomy for most routine operations, and the cars’ local computers will handle that.
The concern is the government monitor and override capability that will creep incrementally into the design, in other words, back doors.
All the government needs to do is tell the car manufacturers that in order to be able to sell their product, they must include certain “safety features” which would allow them to access the car’s control systems at will.
And yet the AREN’T DOING THAT. That’s my point. There’s a lot of “coulds” but not a lot of “actually happening.” Made more so by the fact that no ONE SINGLE group working on these self driving cars has ANY INTENT of going centralized control. They’re all SELF driving, not remote control.
I know they couldn’t. Because I understand the vast difference between storing data for keyword searches and interactive control.
Why bother with “off limits” or “high alert”?! There’s nothing they can do with that. Especially since, again, NOT REMOTE CONTROL. Self driving cars aren’t talking to a server, there’s no central group to be told they’re going to an “off limits” area.
No, that capability won’t exist.
Yes paranoid. And also very much NOT based on history. You’re pulling entirely from supposition and assumption.
CO - the roads were nice 20 yrs ago.
I think I speak for everyone in America when I say that I secretly believe that I am the best driver in the world. And, like George Carlin said, “Everyone who is going faster than me is a maniac and everyone who is going slower than me is an idiot.”
If the car has autonomy how is the government going to monitor and override? None of these designs are for remote control, they’re all autonomous. If they can’t control the cars then... well the CAN’T CONTROL THE CARS. Thus why I make fun of everybody talking about how they’ll control the cars.
If they tell the manufacturers that, then you’re back into the logistical impossibility of them controlling the cars. Which they can’t do. Thus why the ONLY people talking about this are the paranoid luddites against the tech.
For cripes' sake, don't be such a slave to technology that you ignore the potential for its abuse!
Big difference between tracked and controlled. Also there’s the matter of scale. There’s 137 million privately owned passenger cars in America. Then all the other vehicles on the road. This isn’t like a cab company tracking their 100 vehicles, this is MOUNTAINS of data trying to be processed live.
For download and you just lost the favorite paranoia of control. And with the level of cellphones we have in this country, they can already find out where you’ve been.
ALL technology has the “potential” for abuse. The question is what’s ACTUALLY going to be done with it. Don’t be such a slave to paranoia that we have to go back to the stone age just so you can finally feel safe.
Red Barchetta. My favorite song of all time by my favorite band of all time.
The song was inspired by the futuristic short story “A Nice Morning Drive”, written by Richard Foster and published in the November 1973 issue of Road and Track magazine.
If the government "allows" me to continue to choose a person-driven car, then I'll accept your diagnosis of paranoia. But if we start to see regulation REQUIRING the use of self-driven vehicles, then I get to play an "I-told-you-so" card.
That is arguable.
Transmitted real-time != USED in real time. You’re talking terabytes of data dumping in every couple of minutes. There’s a big difference between searching it later and actively searching it live. The LOCAL GPS system (ie your car) is updated real time, non-local is not, and would be much harder (partly because GPS is built on pinging multiple satellites each of which gives their best guess and the local system hashes the math, so to put that data in some central server you’d have to get all the data from the satellites AND process it. For millions of GPSes at the same time. Nothing easy about it.
The government allows you to not have a loyalty card and pay cash. And right now the biggest block for self driving cars is the government NOT allowing them without “drivers”, and in some locations not allowing them period. You might as well burn that card, you’re never playing it. It’s a pure luddite fantasy.
And the CIA was never going to spy domestically, and the NSA needed a FISA warrant.
If self driving cars work as well as the anti-lock brakes and traction control on my car, I’m out. Don’t even get me started on stability control.
I’m talking technical limitations, and usability limitations. Central controlled cars would take a lot of tech, and not accomplish much for the government except require them to process so much data even Netflix would be daunted.
Sounds like you need a better car.
Baby You Can Drive My Car Nanny State PING!
The United State of America.
Hmm, didn’t refute my premise.
Maybe the computing power for cars to reach a predetermined location would be carried onboard and a directive code transmitted from a remote location. Much less centralized computing power required to be located that way. Don’t show your technological ignorance and expect no one to call you out just because of a surly attitude.
By the way, I’m a commercial driver with 9 vehicles of my own from antique to the most modern. I live and drive in a very remote region with terrible roads. I’ll match my skills against mandated vehicular control any day of the week.
Izzat Utah? I drove past it when they were constructing it. It’s about halfway between Salt Lake City and Provo.
Our government does not concern itself with logistics. Nor whether they CAN do a thing. At least, not at the bureaucratic level.
They are only concerned with their overriding desire that tells them they MUST do a thing. No matter what it costs. Their ends justify the means.
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