If Ted Cruz shrinks the IRS to an agency that reviews postcards, then Bob is quibbling.Just one more example of Ted being willing to say anything to get elected. He is about as likely to abolish the IRS as he is to construct a wall and secure the border. He has no real intention to do either. At least with Trump we will get someone who will build the wall and secure the border. He is also someone who will provide leadership abilities that Ted does not possess.
Would you vote Bob for president?
Progressives Unite, Bob Cesca For President!
January 27, 2010 | ExtremeLiberal
Every progressive needs to read Bob Cesca’s latest column at Huffington Post, he spells out the rift in the progressive movement and tries to move things forward.
https://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/progressives-unite-bob-cesca-for-president/
Just info on the author.
This isn’t that complicated, and whether you support Trump or Cruz or some other candidate, this is still something that needs to be considered.
Obviously there will always be some kind of tax and some kind of agency that collects it.
A tax based on your salary isn’t really a problem; the problem is individualizing it, so that an ordinary citizen is responsible for keeping track and revealing every last piece of personal information about himself to prove that he is keeping track.
Employers already collect the money and send it in based on a table. All you have to do is shift the responsibility to the one who is already collecting the tax. Done. You need never have any contact with the IRS or its replacement agency, ever again.
The important thing is that ordinary citizens should not be saddled with dealing with this. If you start a business, and especially if you start hiring people, then guess what, you will be deducting the tax and sending it in, which under the current system you would anyway. But the business does it, not the employee. This is not a new burden, they are already doing it. You remove a burden from the ordinary citizen, but no new burden is created.
Granted, for this to work, you have to simplify it, eliminating most of the deductions, you would move to either a flat tax or a fairly straightforward table, and there would be no difference in married or single or head of household. It isn’t individualized at all. Your name isn’t even attached to it at all. The company’s payroll is x, and 15% percent of that is the tax owed. Done.
Did you read this part of the article?
Shouldn't everyone have some skin in the game?
Besides, the real argument is that you would never in a million years get the congress to give up their ultimate power base, and accomplishing this would take an act of congress as the POTUS does not have the power.
If Ted Cruz shrinks the IRS to an agency that reviews postcards, then Bob is quibbling.Did you notice how the moderators didn’t jump on Ted saying there would still have to be some kind of agency to process the postcards.
he question that ought to immediately spring to mind for anyone paying attention is this: Where the hell do we send our postcard-sized tax returns if the IRS doesn’t exist any more? I’ve asked this question repeatedly on the Bob & Chez Show as well as throughout social media, and not a single Cruz supporter has bothered to answer.”
Obviously you didn’t watch the debate last night or ran off for a quick pee. It was asked and answered
Trump’s lying about Mexico paying for the wall, too. What politician doesn’t stretch the truth when he thinks people will fall for it?
-—”Where the hell do we send our postcard-sized tax returns if the IRS doesn’t exist any more?”-—
Couldn’t it just go to the Treasury?
Cruz said in the debate last night the Dept of Treasury would receive the cards and handle it.
Cruz said this a little bit after Trump said Rubio’s amnesty bill was the right thing to do.
Maybe some large office with those old type IBM machines with holes in the cards that are sent to you and you just punched out whatever is needed and send back?
Or it’s just taken from your paycheck and that’s it?
Shaking your head at what, how ridiculous and hyperbolic the attacks against Cruz have become?
Thank you for referencing that article BlackFemaleArmyCaptain. As usual, please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.
Regarding Cruz abolishing the IRS, no, regardless what the corrupt Washington cartel wants everybody to think about the president being able to act unilaterally from Congress, the president has no constitutional authority to do anything independently of Congress, abolishing the IRS in this example.
Noting that the POTUS only has the constitutional authority to sign a bill from Congress that would abolish the IRS, Cruz will not be able to abolish the IRS without the support of corrupt Congress.
H O W E V E R …
I don’t know what Cruz was indoctrinated with in Harvard Law School, but his professors evidently did not teach the federal government’s constitutionally limited powers as the Founding States had intended for those powers to be understood.
More specifically, the major constitutional problem with all federal regulatory agencies outside the legislative branch is this imo. The Founding States had made the first numbered clauses in the Constitution, Sections 1-3 of Article I, evidently a good place to hide these clauses from Congress, to clarifiy that all federal legislative powers are vested in the elected members of Congress, not in the executive or judicial branches, or in the non-elected federal bureaucrats running so-called federal regulatory agencies like EPA and IRS.
In other words, Congress has a constitutional “monopoly” on federal legislative powers whether it wants it or not. But by delegating legislative / regulary powers to non-elected federal officials outside the legislative branch, the IRS in this example, Congress is wrongly protecting such powers from the wrath of the voters in blatant defiance of the Sections 1-3 mentioned above imo.
In fact, it can be argued that corrupt Congress is deliberately allowing non-legislative federal officials, including last-term Obama, steal legislative branch powers so that people outside the legislative branch can do Congress’s dirty legislative work for it. By letting non-legislative branch officials make regulations that are very unpopular with the voters, corrupt lawmakers can keep their voting records clean in order to fool low-information patriots into reelecting them.
Remember in November !
If patriots want to abolish the IRS then they need to do the following. When patriots elect Trump, Cruz, or whatever conservative they elect, they need to also elect a new, state sovereignty-respecting Congress that will not only work within its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers to support the new president, but also protect the states from unconstitutional federal government overreach, including abolishing the unconstitutional IRS.
Also, consider that such a Congress would probably be willing to fire state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices.
The last time anyone tried to mess with the Treas. or Fed., he and a lot of people ended up dead.
Cruz admitted it at the debate last night. It will be a kinder gentler IRS. :-)
if the US has an income tax...
..and there is no IRS
who exactly defines what ‘income’ is?
bmfl
IMO, regardless of the validity of the 16th, it should be void on its face: it violates the 4th/5th and 13th....but, I digress.
The ONLY way to reduce the size of the IRS, if not get rid of it outright (return functions to the Treasury) is a NRST (some form of the Fair Tax’ish).
Point of sale, no multi-taxing, encompasses EVERYONE, visible, VOLUNTARY and the People are as far from the peeping eyes of govt as possible (sale > biz > State > Fed).