Posted on 02/25/2016 6:48:49 AM PST by Kaslin
Aha!
TThat’s what I wanted to know!
This guy Tim Cook is acting as though he is the Governor of the State of Apple.
What is on the killer’s phone that is not available from provider’s phone records (numbers, time duration), GPS tracking records (location over time), emails (archiving) from internet providers???? NSA is supposed track terrorists!?!
All that can be acquired without having the physical phone.
It all looks like another version of going after the gun ban after random killing.
What is left of citizen’s privacy ???
You already pay for your phone that gives the almighty government free access to your private activity.
Yeah, freedom for terrorists, spying on citizens!
So let me ask Judge Andrew Napolitano a simple question. If the government can draft a resident into the military to perform the tasks the government deems necessary, then why is it illegal for the government to compel Apple to perform these tasks. Answer, Napolitano is simply wrong.
In the interest of national defense, the government can, essentially, take over a contractor compelling them to perform tasks the government deems necessary to the national defense. You doubt that? Then explain how the government could impose food rationing during WWII. Or, how the government controlled production of items to support WWII?
BTW, it’s not “involuntary servitude”. It may be “involuntary” but since the government must pay for these services, it cannot be considered “servitude”.
The other issue is that the FBI is asking for Apple to deliver this software to them so they can use it themselves. They are not asking Apple to unlock this single iPhone at their facilities( although Apple would probably not do that either). That would indeed open it up for all devices.
Also, Congress can impose the draft, Congress is the governing body, not a judge acting on behalf of an overzealous agency.
“Also, Congress can impose the draft, Congress is the governing body, not a judge acting on behalf of an overzealous agency.”
Congress has passed laws, ie, “The All Writs Act”, which the judge must enforce.
“The other issue is that the FBI is asking for Apple to deliver this software to them so they can use it themselves.”
There are differing reports on this. Apple is claiming this to be the case but the feds insist this isn’t true.
In fact, there is right this instant a report on CNBC that the feds are saying Apple is completely misrepresenting their requests. The feds are saying Apple gets to keep the code in their facility, they can destroy the code after cracking this one phone, and that any code created by Apple would only work on this one phone since it is peculiar to the serial number on that code.
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Sorry, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. You obviously have either little understanding of technology or you’re abysmally illiterate.
The FBI HAD the password. They (or the gov dept who owned the phone, under FBI direction) changed it. NOW they claim they can’t get into the phone and must have Apple “unlock” it. Sorry Wrong!
If Apple can create a wholly new operating system that doesn’t have the delays or the erasing feature that the phone’s O/S has, AND could install it on that specific phone [which *may* be possible], this would still NOT UNLOCK that phone. It would still be locked because the FBI claims it doesn’t have the password.
So by defeating the delay or erasure on multiple errors feature, the FBI would have to try to brute force cracking the phone, which would take longer than the heat death of the universe to attempt - even if they only had to try 1/2 the possible combinations and doing so didn’t fry the phone’s circuits in the attempt.
So Apple CAN NOT “unlock” this one phone. Because of the encryption, that is basically not physically possible. Plus, if the FBI were given that phone with the security defeats O/S installed on it, they could conceivably copy that code and then apply it to ANY phone they want to crack. Yours, if they want to.
If Apple retained possession of the phone after the installation of the defeated security O/S installation, then Apple would have to attempt to crack the password. Which again, would be physically (cryptologically) impossible.
You should read about and learn the rule of holes. And about when people think you an idiot. Read, learn. This has NOTHING whatever to do with Apple “unlocking” this particular phone and everything to do with the FBI using this case to gain access to virtually any iPhone they wish to inspect or compromise.
Apple is totally correct. They would have to build a new O/S that didn’t have the security delay features and then install it on the specific phone. And this still would not give the FBI an “unlocked” phone- only allow them to try to crack it, which is, again, virtually impossible. But then the FBI would have that digital copy of the compromised O/S to use on any other phone they wanted to.
If you had any tech knowledge beyond your basic inability to read media headlines, you’d be dangerous. Please, stop providing everyone with proof of your idiocy.
OK, my friend. Explain me this. Let’s accept for arguments sake that your statements are completely correct.
Summarizing, you’ve said that Apple cannot unlock the phone, they can only defeat the software preventing multiple attempts.
Then you’ve said that brute force attempts are doomed to defeat since these techniques “would take longer than the heat death of the universe to attempt”.
So, would you please apply the ‘rules of holes’ for this old dumb guy and explain how the FBI could ever use this code to “gain access to virtually any iPhone they wish to inspect or compromise.”
It seems you’re making two mutually contradictory claims. First, that the code the government wants would be useless since no brute force attempts could reasonably be expected to succeed. Then, you’re claiming that useless code constitutes a direct threat to every iPhone in existence.
Which is it?
BTW, there is no reason to use derogatory language.
If the government can draft a resident into the military to perform the tasks the government deems necessary, then why is it illegal for the government to compel Apple to perform these tasks.
Simple. We are not in a Congressional Declared State of War
Then explain how the government could impose food rationing during WWII. Or, how the government controlled production of items to support WWII?Simple. We were in a Congressional Declared State of War.
“Simple. We are not in a Congressional Declared State of War”
If it were that simple, then there would have been no draft after WWII ended but there was a draft all the way through the 1960s. There was a draft during the Korean War. There was a draft during Vietnam. None of these had a Congressional Declared State of War. There was a draft in the ‘cold war’ between Korea and Vietnam.
Apple (ios) has flagged MS Outlook as a Phishing site on my Apple Devices.
A little war going on???? :)
The OP misspoke with his “heat death of the universe” time comment.
The FBI are demanding that Apple create a special OS version which eliminates the back-off timeouts for incorrect passcode entries, thus allowing the FBI to brute-force the password via software. If Apple created this software, it would only take minutes to unlock any passcode-encrypted phone.
This whole incident is a farce, and I can’t believe that any sane, freedom-minded American would side with the government on this one.
“This whole incident is a farce, and I can’t believe that any sane, freedom-minded American would side with the government on this one.”
I would rather be on the side of the government than on the side of the terrorists. I can’t imagine what anyone would have on their phone that is worth enough to justify endangering their fellow Americans.
Well, setting aside the small matter of the Bill of Rights, are you happy to let the government read all your email? Would you like them to open all your mail (if you still receive snailmail) and copy it all before you receive it? Is it okay with you if the government comes into your house and rummages around while you’re at work?
It’s the same thing.
Also, what information is it you think is on this phone that is “endangering fellow Americans?” The government already know all the calls placed from the phone, have all the metadata, and the owner is dead. Furthermore, the FBI originally had the password for the phone and then somebody at the FBI changed it, possibly by mistake.
You’re happy to subvert the rights of all your fellow Americans just because the FBI f***ed up in this case? That’s pathetic.
hadit2here wrote: “ ...The FBI HAD the password. They (or the gov dept who owned the phone, under FBI direction) changed it. NOW they claim they can’t get into the phone and must have Apple “unlock” it... “
dinodino wrote: “ ...Furthermore, the FBI originally had the password for the phone and then somebody at the FBI changed it, possibly by mistake... “
It’s been very widely reported. Here is one source:
http://www.thewrap.com/fbi-admits-it-reset-san-bernardino-shooters-iphone-password/
Not it’s not the same thing. I’ve not committed acts of terrorism. I’ve not murdered my fellow Americans. Since I’ve not done those things, the government does not have the authority to do read my email, read my snail mail, or enter my house.
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