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"I Guess It's Food Stamps": 400,000 Jeopardized As Giant State Pension Fund Plans 50% Benefit Cuts
Zero Hedge ^ | 02/19/2016 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 02/19/2016 7:27:00 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Dale Dorsey isn't happy.

After working 33 years, he's facing a 55% cut to his pension benefits, a blow which he says will "cripple" his family and imperil the livelihood of his two children, one of whom is in the fourth grade and one of whom is just entering high school.

Dorsey attended a town hall meeting in Kansas City on Tuesday where retirees turned out for a discussion on "massive" pension cuts proposed by the Central States Pension Fund, which covers 400,000 participants, and which will almost certainly go broke within the next decade.

"A controversial 2014 law allowed the pension to propose [deep] cuts, many of them by half or more, as a way to perhaps save the fund," The Kansas City Star wrote earlier this week adding that "two much smaller pensions also have sought similar relief under the law, and still more pensions are significantly underfunded."

"What's happening to us is a microcosm of what's going to happen to the rest of the pensions in the United States," said Jay Perry, a longtime Teamsters member.

Jay is probably correct.

Public sector pension funds are grossly underfunded in places like Chicago and Houston, while private sector funds are struggling to deal with rock bottom interest rates, which put pressure on expected returns and thus drive the present value of funds' liabilities higher.

Illinois' pension burden has brought the state to its knees financially speaking and in November, Springfield was forced to miss a $560 million payment to its retirement fund. In the private sector, GM said on Thursday that it will sell 20- and 30-year bonds in order to meet its pension obligations

"At the end of last year GM's U.S. hourly pension plan was underfunded by $10.4 billion," The New York Times writes. "About $61 billion of the obligations were funded for the plan's roughly 360,000 pensioners." Maybe it's time for tax payers to bail themselves out. 

Speaking of GM, Kenneth Feinberg - the man who oversaw the distribution of cash compensation to victims who were involved in accidents tied to faulty ignition switches - is now tasked with deciding whether the Central States Pension Fund's proposal to cut benefits passes legal muster. "Central States' proposal would allow the retirees to work and still collect their reduced benefits. But some are no longer able to work, and the idea didn't seem plausible to others," the Star goes on to note.

"You know anybody hiring a 73-year-old mechanic?" Rod Heelan asked Feinberg. "I'm available."

"I'll have to go find a job. I don't know. I'm 68," Gary Meyer of Concordia, Mo said. "It would probably be a minimum-wage job." 

To be sure, retirees' frustrations are justified. That said, the fund is simply running out of money. "We simply can't stay afloat if we continue to pay out $3.46 in pension benefits for every $1 paid in from contributing employers," a letter to retirees reads. 

The fund is projected to go broke by 2026. Without the proposed cuts, no benefits at all will be paid from that point forward

According to letters shared with The Star, cuts range from around 40% to 61%. "[The] average pension loss was more than $1,400 a month," the paper says.

As for what will become of those who depend upon their benefits to survive, the above quoted Gary Meyer summed it up best: "I guess food stamps. Hopefully not. It would be a last resort."

Don't worry Gary, you aren't alone...


Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/article60760061.html#storylink=c...



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: bankruptcy; foodstamps; funny; humor; kansas; kansascity; karma; pensionfunds; tylerdurden; tylerdurdenmyass; zerohedge
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I didn’t know ERISA did that, I didn’t know that they COULD do that. I used to be a fiduciary for a pension plan, but since I retired I havent kept up with everything.


61 posted on 02/19/2016 8:03:58 AM PST by Rusty0604 (oh the stories I could tell. but I really don't think scalia's death is suspiciou.)
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To: Obadiah

Two things are certain.

1) It is all based on economic fallacies
2) The Dems have every intention of doing it.

Rush neatly summed up the reason when talking about elections in Europe about ten years ago. In elections there the determining factor is one thing, and one thing only.

“How do I maintain, or INCREASE, my social benefits?”

Democrats feel that once they shift us onto that paradigm they’ll never lose an election again.


62 posted on 02/19/2016 8:05:18 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

Quit-cher-beeching and go back to work.

There are hundreds of thousands of illegals and muslim terrorists who are counting on people kike you to pay for their Obamaphones, Obamacare and other freebies.


63 posted on 02/19/2016 8:06:09 AM PST by Iron Munro (WE MAY BE PARANOID BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY AREN'T REALLY AFTER US)
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To: SeekAndFind

Great idea, let’s rob old people who won’t get a job due to rampant ageism. Close the fund to new participants and pay the people what they were d@mn well promised.


64 posted on 02/19/2016 8:06:45 AM PST by Laser_Ray
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I detest that woman.


65 posted on 02/19/2016 8:07:15 AM PST by Rusty0604 (oh the stories I could tell. but I really don't think scalia's death is suspiciou.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The Teamsters stole the money and underfunded the plan and the government took it over


66 posted on 02/19/2016 8:08:59 AM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Rusty0604

I have CALSTRS and I’m curious to see what will happen. I could technically retire at 56 (in 2021) and have a tiny pension because I didn’t start working here till my late 30s. I have no dependents and no debt, (except student loan, which should be gone by then) but I’m not sure what I’m going to do. I love teaching... sometimes... but I’m sick of Los Angeles.


67 posted on 02/19/2016 8:09:48 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (Welfare: It's a Safety Net, Not a Hammock.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
If you would retire at 51 AND break a bunch of windows on your way out of the building, you'd be creating TWO jobs!

Yeah. In this case, where these are union shops, maybe 5 or 6 jobs.

Two to replace me (gotta cover my pension and their union dues), one poor schlub to clean the mess, one guy to stand there and watch him, another guy to make sure the guy standing there and watching the schlub doesn't do any work, and the last guy to stare menacingly at any passers-by.

68 posted on 02/19/2016 8:10:53 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (I got nothin'.)
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To: HamiltonJay

The taxpayers are definitely on the hook for the public employee pensions. They don’t care because the taxpayers are not willing participants. I worked for a PEU and that’s exactly what they think.


69 posted on 02/19/2016 8:11:28 AM PST by Rusty0604 (oh the stories I could tell. but I really don't think scalia's death is suspiciou.)
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To: Gaffer
I see a lot of GM this and that....maybe he retired from GM after 20 years at 38 years old and expected the lotto for the rest of his life. Obama fixed that for him.

This is the Teamsters. Not the United Auto Workers.

70 posted on 02/19/2016 8:11:30 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: SeekAndFind

“The fund is projected to go broke by 2026. Without the proposed cuts, no benefits at all will be paid from that point forward”

I see this line in the article and read it as: “we will not pay out any more, but you will still pay in”

Strange statement to say the least.


71 posted on 02/19/2016 8:13:39 AM PST by kevslisababy
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To: Hojczyk
The Teamsters stole the money and underfunded the plan and the government took it over

Which makes it different from all of the other defined benefit plans HOW, exactly?


72 posted on 02/19/2016 8:14:46 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

weird you say this...retired at 50...now 61 getting ready to get SS and surprise.... all I am worried about is how do I get more free stuff...and I was a life long conservative...now I think I am a socialist....I could care less what my children have to pay...hope this goes away


73 posted on 02/19/2016 8:16:31 AM PST by curdogmen
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To: Obadiah

We don’t have those anymore!


74 posted on 02/19/2016 8:18:12 AM PST by 3D-JOY (...don't forget to visit the FREEPATHON today!)
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To: pie_eater

Or instead of forcing people to pay into a defined benefit plan, let them save and make their own investment decisions with a defined contribution plan, and then they can retire whenever they they want to. That would almost sound like freedom and individual responsibility.


75 posted on 02/19/2016 8:18:13 AM PST by Rusty0604 (oh the stories I could tell. but I really don't think scalia's death is suspiciou.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

You teach in LA? What’s that like?


76 posted on 02/19/2016 8:19:41 AM PST by Rusty0604 (oh the stories I could tell. but I really don't think scalia's death is suspiciou.)
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To: caver
do you realize that a huge percent of grandparents are raising their grandchildren. Some of these children are added to the family after grandparents retirement. And have you tried to find a job when you are in your 60’s or 70’s?
Don't throw rocks.
77 posted on 02/19/2016 8:19:50 AM PST by Eternally-Optimistic (anything is possible)
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To: SeekAndFind
"What's happening to us is a microcosm of what's going to happen to the rest of the pensions in the United States," said Jay Perry, a longtime Teamsters member. Jay is probably correct.

The only beneficiaries of the fraudulent union/politician benefit deals were the union bosses and the (probably by now) retired politicians. Of course this is a ticking time bomb, DUH. The union members were duped, it was a Ponzi scheme, those who are already playing golf in Florida are probably OK, the pensioners near retirement better think twice about retiring.

78 posted on 02/19/2016 8:19:50 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: jneesy

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>> “how is someone retired with a 4th grader and a 9th grader” <<

He probably is on his second wife, who is considerably younger than he is, and doesn’t have any self control.
.


79 posted on 02/19/2016 8:20:52 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: SeekAndFind

“After working 33 years, he’s facing a 55% cut to his pension benefits, a blow which he says will “cripple” his family and imperil the livelihood of his two children, one of whom is in the fourth grade and one of whom is just entering high school.”

Dollars to donuts he is a school teacher that ‘bought’ 10 years of that 33 year pension. He likely is already working at another school system and will draw another pension when he ‘retires’ at the age of 60-62.

If it was up to me...all the public employee union workers would be put in a gunny sack and dumped in the river!


80 posted on 02/19/2016 8:21:34 AM PST by Beagle8U (Trumpanzees Lives Matter!)
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