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Latest Media Hype: Christian Bible More ‘Bloodthirsty’ than Quran
Frontpagemagazine ^ | February 18, 2016 | Raymond Ibrahim

Posted on 02/18/2016 5:17:47 AM PST by SJackson

Latest Media Hype: Christian Bible More 'Bloodthirsty' than Quran

Debunking a flawed study of the Islamic and Christian texts.

Originally published by PJ Media.

Raymond Ibrahim is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

A new data-based study published on Yahoo News, Huffington Post, and many other media, purports to have proven that the Bible--including the New Testament--is more violent than the Quran.

From Tom McKay's article about the study: "Fifty-eight percent of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Islam" thanks to a "laundry list of misinformation about the faith's holy text, the Quran." He continues:

But a recent project by data analyst and research marketer Tom Anderson turns one common misconception on its head: that the Quran is more consumed by blood thirst than the Christian Bible.... Of the three books [Old Testament, New Testament, Quran], the project found, the Old Testament is the most violent, with approximately 5.3% of the text referring to "destruction and killing" -- the Quran clocked in at just 2.1%, with the New Testament slightly higher at 2.8%.... According to Anderson, the findings challenge the popular notion among Westerners that Muslims subscribe to a particularly violent faith. Indeed, he concluded, "of the three texts, the content in the Old Testament appears to be the most violent."

So this study proves what Islam's apologists have long claimed: that the Bible contains more violence and bloodshed than the Quran. Even so, the intelligence and/or sincerity of anyone--including supposed scholars and "thinkers"--who cite this fact as proof that the Quran cannot incite more violence than the Bible must be highly doubted.

For starters, this argument fundamentally ignores the contexts of all three scriptures. Comparing violence in the Bible--old or new testaments--with violence in the Quran conflates history with doctrine. The majority of violence in the Bible is recorded as history; a description of events. Conversely, the overwhelming majority of violence in the Quran is doctrinally significant. In other words, the Bible has about as much capacity to incite its readers to violence as a history textbook. On the other hand, the Quran uses open ended language to call on believers to commit acts of violence against non-Muslims. (See "Are Judaism and Christianity as Violent as Islam?" for my most comprehensive and documented treatment of this tiresome apologia.)

This study also fails to consider who is behind the violence. It just appears to count the number of times words like "kill" appear. Due to this, New Testament descriptions of Christians--including Christ--being persecuted and killed are supposedly equal at inciting Christians to violence as Allah's commandments for Muslims to "slay the idolaters wherever you find them--seize them, besiege them, and make ready to ambush them!" (Quran 9:5). This study sees no difference between the martyrdom of Stephen (Acts 7-8) and Allah's words: "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip" (Quran 8:12).

Even the claim behind this study--that "Fifty-eight percent of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Islam" apparently because of "misinformation about the faith's holy text, the Quran"--is a strawman argument. "Islamophobia" is based less on what Americans think about the Quran and more on the violence, terrorism, and atrocities they see and hear Muslims commit in the name of Islam on a daily basis. (Ironically, the whole point of appealing to a strawman argument is that the argument itself is ironclad, even if it doesn't address the real issue. As seen here, however, even the straw argument itself--that the Bible has more potential to incite violence than the Quran--is full of holes.)

This is to say nothing of the fact that Islamic teaching is hardly limited to the Quran; volumes of canonical (sahih) Hadith (words and deeds of Muhammad) equally inform Muslim actions. As one Muslim cleric put it, "Much of Islam will remain mere abstract concepts without Hadith. We would never know how to pray, fast, pay zakah, or make pilgrimage without the illustration found in Hadith..." And as it happens, calls to anti-infidel violence in the Hadith outnumber the Quran's.

Due to its many shortcomings, even Anderson admits that his "analysis is superficial and the findings are by no means intended to be conclusive." So why are several media outlets highlighting the conclusion of a study which readily admits it does not prove what its champions claim?

Because the politically correct conclusion--that Islam cannot be any worse than Judaism and Christianity--is all that matters here, gaping holes in methodology be damned.



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To: SJackson

One God gave His life for my sins... The other demands I rape, rob and murder other people that don’t worship him.


21 posted on 02/18/2016 9:54:47 AM PST by DocRock (And now is the time to fight! Peter Muhlenberg)
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To: SJackson

In the Bible, the older violence is superseded by the peaceful New Testament.

In the Koran, the earlier conciliatory statements are superseded by the later calls for violence.

The Koran today calls for violence, the Bible does not.


22 posted on 02/18/2016 12:02:52 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: SJackson

Say it is, so? Doesn’t change the fact that it’s muzlim rather than Christian PEOPLE who are bloodthirsty.


23 posted on 02/18/2016 2:10:41 PM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: joesbucks
Others came along and liberalized the understanding of how the faith was to operate.

Scripturalized is the proper word here.

24 posted on 02/18/2016 3:24:18 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: joesbucks
Catholics at the time rooted their actions in their understanding of the Word.

Additions to is the proper wording here.

25 posted on 02/18/2016 3:25:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Their word was pretty much the word at the time. The Christian differences were pretty between the eastern and western churches. The holy books of the time we’re similar.


26 posted on 02/18/2016 4:49:37 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: Pollster1

Yes, but Joshua destroyed Jericho. That was a few years ago, and the Commandment was limited to that place and time, but no matter. And today Muslims claim Jews were never anywhere near Jericho or Hevron, or Israel


27 posted on 02/18/2016 5:03:43 PM PST by SJackson (What I’m watching in him (O), is uncertainty...a leader doesn’t give sh*t...he gets it don)
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To: rjsimmon
The NT does not speak of violence other than

Interestingly if you read the "study" linked in the article, the "reasearcher" finds the Tanakh, Old Testament, the most violent, but finds the New Testament more violent than the Koran. I don't know how, and am not going to bother reading the complete study to find out, the underlying premise if faulty. Detailing violence in a historical context is quite different from inciting violence at a point in time and for believers into the future.

28 posted on 02/18/2016 5:09:44 PM PST by SJackson (What I’m watching in him (O), is uncertainty...a leader doesn’t give sh*t...he gets it don)
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To: Pollster1

“It’s not misinformation about Mohammad’s scribblings. That opinion comes from direct observation of those who follow the man who married a six-year-old girl.”

Now just a cotton pickin’ minit here. Mohammed never scribbled anything. He had a Jewish secretary who wrote down his epileptic hallucinations. And there you go again with the misinformation. He may have married the girl when she was six, but he didn’t rape her until she was nine. So there.


29 posted on 02/20/2016 2:37:07 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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