Posted on 01/31/2016 10:18:08 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
In an interview this morning on This Week, Donald Trump cited his desire to "help people" as the reason he favors government-funded universal health coverage. Unlike Ted Cruz, Trump said, "I have a heart."
"If somebody has no money and they're lying in the middle of the street and they're dying, I'm going to take care of that person," Trump said.
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...
ALL of those programs are the reason for the exploding cost of healthcare. Increasing their scope IS NOT a solution.
Ok. That’s nice.
I’m not going to be led around by a bunch of thug supporters of a candidate, I dont care whom that candidate is. That is what these Cruz supports have become, and that is why the owner of this site has had to eliminate scores of them, because they became so rabid, that they even threatened him.
Whatever reason you dont like Trump, I couldn’t care less. I’m not here to brow-beat, shame, or intimidate them to vote for him. You can do whatever you want.
And I expect the same courtesy or else I’m going to exercise my freedom to not cast a vote for him. And I’m not going to lie because some busybody thinks that he can run to the site owner to “punish” me, because I know that is not what he is about, and will likely tell you the same.
So, like I said, you will not threaten or intimidate me.
I’m supporting whom I am for reasons I’ve discussed over the months, and now in part because the other side is offering nothing but ever-increasing amounts of vitriol against those that support other candidates. Even despite this being the case for weeks, I’ve held out the desire to show up if it was close. However, I’m seeing a candidate and an organization that is exhibiting traits that give me nothing short of the creeps.
The Cruz people want my vote that badly, they can knock off some of this stuff and try inspiring people like Trump (despite how much you dont like him for whatever reasons) has managed to do.
“Finally, I expect Cruz people who say they won’t support the nominee of a conservative party to be disciplined in some manner on a conservative site,”
Uh....I dont think so. I dont know where you get the idea that this is anything short of a totalitarian mindset.
Am I to believe that Trump personally has actually seen people lying in the middle of the streets of NYC and dying from his Trump Tower penthouse? Maybe from his limousine out of which he of course he jumps out and performs CPR on the dying person because I'm going to take care of that person
"Host George Stephanopoulos asked Trump "how do you do it?" And Trump explained his plan thusly:"
We're going to work with our hospitals. We're going to work with our doctors. We've got to do something. You can't have a -- a small percentage of our economy, because they're down and out, have absolutely no protection so they end up dying from, you know, what you could have a simple procedure or even a pill. You can't do that.
We'll work something out. That doesn't mean single payer. And I mean, maybe he's got no heart. And if this means I lose an election, that's fine, because, frankly, we have to take care of the people in our country. We can't let them die on the sidewalks of New York or the sidewalks of Iowa or anywhere else.
The "down and out" already have access to medical care. It's called Medicaid. There are also many free clinics for the poor and uninsured and hospitals affiliated with churches, the Catholic Church among others that take charity cases.
Two years ago my older brother was one such case. He was not yet eligible for Medicare and made slightly and I mean very slightly too much to qualify for Medicaid in NJ and as he was working as a part-time independent contractor, had no private insurance. But he desperately needed surgery for spinal stenosis - was unable to walk at that point and in severe pain. And he got it and never received a bill, even as so much as a doctor's bill as it was all taken care of through Catholic Charities and a grant from the Knights of Columbus. And no, one does not have to be Catholic to receive such charitable services.
"We're going to work with our hospitals. We're going to work with our doctors."
What does Trump mean by "our" hospitals and "our" doctors? Are hospitals and doctors going to be forced to "work with" / accept a deal or offer they can't refuse from Trump"? If so, how so? Are hospitals including private hospitals and all doctors going to be forced to treat some people completely for free or accept what the Trump Administration deems a fair payment? Are doctors and hospitals going to be "nationalized" become Federal contractors or employees?
And how does that not mean, if not technically "Single Payer" something akin to greatly expanding Medicare and or Medicaid and isn't that what the liberals have also clamored for? And won't you and I pay for it via increased taxation? No Trump says he will pay for it out of the "Yuge Savings" he'll get somewhere else. Big on promises but light on details.
"We can't let them die on the sidewalks of New York or the sidewalks of Iowa or anywhere else."
People are not dropping like flies on the sidewalks of New York or Iowa or anywhere else due to not having access to emergency or critical care. And even people without any insurance, the poorest of the poor, even the homeless have access to regular medical care and even preventative care and even prescription drugs for chronic conditions if they choose to seek it out. Those that don't are mostly drug addicts and alcoholics and the mentally ill who don't want medical care because it would mean having to deal with their addictions and problems, so they avoid it until it becomes critical - life and death.
Trump is using hyberbole to advance an agenda of "free healthcare" whether "Single Payer" (as he's expressed before is a good system in the not so recent past) or some other scheme that boils down to a difference without a distinction.
He's doing it because he believes it will not alienate his staunch supporters because he already thinks he's got you all locked up. After all he already believes he could shoot someone in cold blood on 5th Avenue and you'd still support him.
This is meant to draw votes away from whomever is the Dem candidate in the General - either Clinton or Sanders. "See. I'm not so "conservative" after all. I'm not some Right Winger. I've got a heart and I want to "take care" of everyone.
And ETA - his (and other's) idea of making insurance total portable across state lines? It sounds good in principle but consider the provider or health care facility that now has to deal with billing and collecting from dozens of insurers within their market, will now have to deal with hundreds if not thousands of regional insurers, each with their own fee schedule that the doctor or health care facility will have to contract with. Sure, living in PA perhaps I could find a small regional insurer based in Idaho that offers me better rates, but that's no gaurentee that my doctor or hospital here in PA is going to accept it unless there is some sort of government mandate and oversight.
Also many larger insurers, Blue Cross Blue Shield, Cigna, United Healthcare, etc. have national networks. I work for an employer, a manufacturer that has plants in several states and sales persons across the country. We are based in PA and two years ago moved from Cigna to Highmark Blue Cross Blue Shield. But both insurers had national networks so our employees no matter where, in whatever state they were located, had insurance and access to local providers within the network. However, if we had chosen a smaller regional insurer not part of a national network, our employees not in PA would be screwed as every service would be "out of network" for them.
Forcing smaller regional insurers to sell across state lines likely means they will have to join/contract with and or be absorbed by one of the big national insurers. Sort of like how all the local banks are being absorbed by bigger banks - FWIW a product of government over regulation. And that's certainly worked out well for most consumers / s
But just keep believing. Trump farts rainbows and belches unicorns. And HE will make America Great Again. No matter how much it costs you and I.
“What about ‘Unlike Cruz I have a heart.’”
That’s a lie by NRO too.
The exact quote from Trump is: “Maybe he has no heart.”
So, Obama has never enacted anything? Ok, whatever. Must be blissful in your world.
So says the Cruzader.
I am pretty sure that all of us Trumpanzees have explained over and over to you in excruciating detail why we support the Trump candidacy, why we are still conservatives, and why we believe that it’s the best shot for conservatism to survive. It can be summed up in: “We will take the low-risk gamble for half a loaf rather than take a much riskier gamble for the whole loaf.” That’s reason, is it not?
I know that you reject our viewpoints, but they have been arrived at by reason and our interpretation of the limited facts.
And the more you insult us, the less we care to listen to what you have to say. Great job stumping for Ted.
Maybe so but it is inevitable.
Try to get off meth. Save the binge for Superbowl Sunday next weekend. Slap yourself. :-)
Go right ahead, my dear. Continue to explain how cloture votes are more important than final votes.
Trump has repeatedly said in the past that he supports government-funded universal health care. The only ones being “intentionally deceptive” about this are his supporters.
With a headline like this, I don’t blame you for looking at us as ‘Trumpzanzees’, ‘Trump nuts’, etc.
But did NRO slander him? Did he say ‘single payer’?
And BTW ... I think he deserves scorn if he actually did accuse Cruz of not having a heart. Cheap shot. Bad stab at ‘humor’. About as funny as paint drying.
Not the least bit angry or grumpy; but your concern is touching.
So, you can’t answer the question, so you toss out insults. I see what you did there.
I applaud you.
The growth you are citing is private sector growth. Of course this would yield more money into the Treasury, Reagan and JFK proved that out. But......Trump has vowed not to touch SS or Medicare.
There is no way with a deficit of $20T+ that GDP growth alone can sustain those programs unless you reform them and kill the fraud.
I'm sorry dude, Trump has some excellent growth and economic ideas but his liberal slip shows from time to time.
Not saying he can't accomplish anything. I'll vote for him for sure if he gets the nod. Just saying his rhetoric and reality sometimes just don't match up.
And yet you're content that Cruz supporters have been zotted, and see no "totalitarianism" in that? Please be serious. You can't argue diametrically opposite positions in the same post. [Unless you're TheDonald®. Because: Winning.]
The site owner is free to do whatever he wants. It's not totalitarianism, it's called "running a business." The business of this site is conservatism, and there's nothing wrong with removing disruptors. Been done many times in the past.
Depends on how you define ‘better.’
I will assume, for the moment, that you are correct that Trump is a moderate populist and that Cruz is as pure as the driven snow in his conservative beliefs.
A guy can be absolutely perfect as a conservative, but if he can’t enact any of his policies, then he might as well be an empty suit.
Cruz has not shown much in the way of ability to advance legislation, bring people around to his way of thinking, or change people’s minds. He’s got a contingent of very fervent supporters, but from what I see, that is where his support ends.
If Cruz is nominated, will he be able to pull enough of the country together to win the election? And if so, will he be able to tell the media to stick it up their collective asses when they start bitching about him? I am personally not as sure of this as you are, and if he doesn’t or can’t rise to the challenge, we have either an elite-controlled Congress and ineffective President, or we have Hill or Bern.
On he other hand, many of Trump’s positions may not be perfect, but some of the really important positions are a LOT better than what we have. And judging from the size of the crowds, the crossover appeal, and the enthusiasm, it seems a lot more likely that he’ll be elected and also able to get those policies enacted.
So, I personally prefer the almost certainty of half a loaf rather than gambling for a whole loaf.
I’m not going to begrudge you your differences of opinion, unless you attempt to take away even that half a loaf out of spite if Cruz isn’t the candidate.
(Or I will begrudge you if you insult me, but you haven’t, so I won’t.)
Everyone gets healthcare anyway. What’s really crazy is all the illegals who come here and get it — even hospitals entering the US with patients [some pregnant].
We don’t need to import health problems or births.
“And yet you’re content that Cruz supporters have been zotted”
Because they went after the site owner in a way that still leave me cold because it was so evil and disgusting. It was nothing short of a coup.
A few of the others went out in tirades that was nothing short of psycho.
A number of those people specifically demanded that JimRob deactivate their accounts. So no, it isn’t the same.
“The site owner is free to do whatever he wants. It’s not totalitarianism,”
And he didn’t do it on a whim. Those people gave him all the reasons to kick them off.
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