Psychology: Deradicalizing Muslim terrorists (very interesting)

nocompulsion.com ^ | Nicolai Sennels

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From the Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam website, FinalCall.com...
Malik Zulu Shabazz, chairman of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (NBPP):

"We are happy today to be standing side by side with the Nation of Islam. We believe, like the Nation of Islam and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad believe, in a nation of our own. We believe in a Black first philosophy and a Black Liberation Theology. We don't worry about the criticism. We love all of those who labored in the Panther Party from the '60s [the '60s Black Panthers were openly Maoist/Communist -etl]. Many are with us today."

http://web.archive.org/web/20100325065216/http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/One-on-One_An_Interview_with_Malik_Zulu_Shabazz_1858.shtml
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As Obama's 'reverend' Wright used Christianity to push communist "Black Liberation Theology", Farrakhan does something similar with the "Nation of Islam".
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From The American Thinker...

Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx
May 28, 2008

Just one nugget from the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, "Instruction on Certain Aspects of the 'Theology of Liberation': "...it would be illusory and dangerous to ignore the intimate bond which radically unites them (liberation theologies), and to accept elements of the marxist analysis without recognizing its connections with the (Marxist) ideology, or to enter into the practice of the class-struggle and of its marxist interpretation while failing to see the kind of totalitarian society to which this process slowly leads."
--Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect, now Pope Benedict XVI; written in 1984

Understanding that black liberation theology is Marxism dressed up to look like Christianity helps explain why there is no conflict between Cone's "Christianity" [i.e. 'reverend Wright's thing] and Farrakhan's "Nation of Islam." They are two prophets in the same philosophical (Marxist) pod, merely using different religions as backdrops for their black-power aims.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/obama_black_liberation_theolog.html

or,

http://web.archive.org/web/20110703084654/http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/obama_black_liberation_theolog.html
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Louis Farrakhan, at the Millions More Movement rally in DC, Oct 15, 2005:

"...what Mao Tse Tung did was, he went to the cultural community, and they [Farrakhan spreads his arms beneficently] accepted his idea."... "Mao Tse Tung ... had a billion people whose lives he had to transform."..."the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people, and China became a world power on the base of the culture and the arts community. If we had a ministry of art and culture in every city we'd create this movement [in the U.S.]."

Source: http://thedrunkablog.blogspot.com/2005/10/communist-plot-noted.html

Or,

http://web.archive.org/web/20111213150149/http://thedrunkablog.blogspot.com/2005/10/communist-plot-noted.html
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From Louis Farrakhan's own "Nation Of Islam" website, FinalCall.com...
Re: Millions More Movement rally, Oct 15, 2005:

Unity generates power to change reality
By the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan

"The time has never been more ripe for a strategic relationship between the Black, Brown, Native American and the poor of this nation and the world."

"We need a Ministry of Defense. Our young men are born soldiers, but they are in the wrong war. They are fighting a war in the streets of America against each other, or they are fighting an unjust war overseas in Afghanistan and Iraq. We need to bring our boys home and put them into the Ministry of Defense, so we can defend our communities, rather than destroy our communities.

We need a Ministry of Art and Culture. We applaud the hip hop community, the leaders of young people all over the world, but I want the young generation of artists to know there is a bigger purpose for art and culture than popping our fingers and shaking our backsides.

Mao Tse Tung, throughout his long march to conquer China, had a billion people whose lives he had to transform. Many of them were victims of opium, drugs and prostitution, like we are.

But Mao Tse Tung went to the cultural community and they accepted his idea. Then, through song, dance, poetry, drama, documentaries, movies and books, the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people. China became a world power on the base of culture and the artistic community. If we had a Ministry of Art and Culture in every city, [we'd] create this movement [in the U.S.] , ..."

We need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce. Do you think that a Millions More Movement should not be involved in the development of Africa, the Caribbean and Central America? ... we need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce that can link the struggle here with Africa and the Caribbean, Central and South America.

Source: FinalCall.com
(FinalCall is the website of the "Nation Of Islam")
http://web.archive.org/web/20100716111750/http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_4328.shtml
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Louis Farrakhan, Santiago de Cuba, February, 1998: "There is not a member of the black masses in the United States who is not proud of the example set by Cuba and its revolution, with Comandante Fidel at its head"

Source:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110803183055/http://www2.fiu.edu/~fcf/farakhan21898.html
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"Minister Farrakhan and his delegation met privately
with President Fidel Castro of Cuba."

Source: FinalCall.com (webiste of the "Nation of Islam".
http://web.archive.org/web/20090214213808/http://www.finalcall.com/media/cuba/

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So-called "Nation of Islam" leader, Louis Farrakhan, once said Obama was the "Messiah". He also described Obama and Mao as "transformers"...

Louis Farrakhan, at the annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008: "This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better"..."If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23333598/
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Video of Farrakhan's Obama endorsement at the above 'annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008'. Hear him call Obama "The Messiah" And speak of "universal change":
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=farrakhan+obama+messiah
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Louis Farrakhan (2005): "Mao Tse Tung, throughout his long march to conquer China, had a billion people whose lives he had to transform... the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people. China became a world power on the base of culture and the artistic community. If we had a Ministry of Art and Culture in every city, [we'd] create this movement [in the U.S.]."

http://web.archive.org/web/20100716111750/http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_4328.shtml
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Louis Farrakhan (2008): "If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed.

http://web.archive.org/web/20101115185432/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23333598/

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The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine

Monday, May 5, 2008
FoxNews/Hannity's America
[special Friday night edition--original airdate May 2, 2008]

(some key excerpts)

JOSE DIAZ-BALART, TELEMUNDO NETWORK: "Liberation theology in Nicaragua in the mid-1980's was a pro-Sandinista, pro-Marxist, anti-U.S., anti-Catholic Church movement. That's it. No ifs, ands, or buts. His church apparently supported, in the mid-'80s in Nicaragua, groups that supported the Sandinista dictatorships and that were opposed to the Contras whose reason for being was calling for elections. That's all I know. I was there.

I saw the churches in Nicaragua that he spoke of, and the churches were churches that talked about the need for violent revolution and I remember clearly one of the major churches in Managua where the Jesus Christ on the altar was not Jesus Christ, he was a Sandinista soldier, and the priests talked about the corruption of the West, talked about the need for revolution everywhere, and talked about 'the evil empire' which was the United States of America."

REV. BOB SCHENCK, NATIONAL CLERGY COUNCIL: "it's based in Marxism. At the core of his [Wright's] theology is really an anti-Christian understanding of God, and as part of a long history of individuals who actually advocate using violence in overthrowing those they perceive to be oppressing them, even acts of murder have been defended by followers of liberation theology. That's very, very dangerous."

SCHENCK: "I was actually the only person escorted to Dr. Wright. He asked to see me, and I simply welcomed him to Washington, and then I said Dr. Wright, I want to bring you a warning: your embrace of Marxist liberation theology. It is contrary to the Gospel, and you need, sir, to abandon it. And at that he dropped the handshake and made it clear that he was not in the mood to dialogue on that point."

Source: The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354158,00.html
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"God D*** America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11"
--Rev Dr. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's "Black Liberation"(Communist) pastor for 20+ years

"America’s chickens... are coming home... to ROOST!"

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"Their founding document [the Weather Underground's] called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[1] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."..."-Berger, Dan (2006). Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity. AK Press, 95.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_Underground#cite_ref-Berger_0-0

Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity (Paperback) by Dan Berger
http://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-America-Underground-Politics-Solidarity/dp/1904859410
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From the New York Times, August 24, 2003

"they [the Weather Underground] employed revolutionary jargon, advocated armed struggle and black liberation and began bombing buildings, taking responsibility for at least 20 attacks. Estimates of their number ranged at times from several dozen to several hundred."

Article: Quieter Lives for 60's Militants, but Intensity of Beliefs Hasn't Faded
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E4DE1539F937A1575BC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
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Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright and Dr. William Ayers
are greeted by Rebekah Levin with the Committee
for a Just Peace in Israel and Palestine.
(Chuck Berman/Chicago Tribune / May 17, 2009)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-ayers_wrightmay18,0,6689521.story
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Obama's Church: Gospel of Hate
Kathy Shaidle, FrontPageMag.com
Monday, April 07, 2008

In March of 2007, FOX News host Sean Hannity had engaged Obama's pastor in a heated interview about his Church's teachings. For many viewers, the ensuing shouting match was their first exposure to "Black Liberation Theology"...

Like the pro-communist Liberation Theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class. The Christian notion of "salvation" in the afterlife is superseded by "liberation" on earth, courtesy of the establishment of a socialist utopia.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090321190904/http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=30CD9E14-B0C9-4F8C-A0A6-A896F0F44F02
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Catholics for Marx [Liberation Theology]
By Fr. Robert Sirico
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, June 03, 2004

In the days when the Superpowers were locked in a Cold War, Latin America seethed with revolution, and millions lived behind an iron curtain, a group of theologians concocted a novel idea within the history of Christianity. They proposed to combine the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of Marx as a way of justifying violent revolution to overthrow the economics of capitalism.

The Gospels were re-rendered not as doctrine impacting on the human soul but rather as windows into the historical dialectic of class struggle. These "liberation theologians" saw every biblical criticism of the rich as a mandate to expropriate the expropriating owners of capital, and every expression of compassion for the poor as a call for an uprising by the proletarian class of peasants and workers.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090321190909/http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=460782B7-35CC-4C9E-A2C5-93832067C7CD

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Re: James Cone, founder of "Black Liberation Theology":

SEAN HANNITY: But Reverend Jeremiah Wright is not backing down and has not for years and in his strong stance on the teaching of black liberation theology is nothing new. He had the same things to say last spring when he appeared on "Hannity & Colmes:"

WRIGHT: If you're not going to talk about theology in context, if you're not going to talk about liberation theology that came out of the '60s, systematized black liberation theology that started with Jim Cone in 1968 and the writings of Cone and the writings of Dwight Hopkins and the writings of womynist theologians and Asian theologians and Hispanic theologians, then you can't talk about the black value system.

HANNITY: But I'm a - reverend

WRIGHT: Do you know liberation theology, sir?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354158,00.html
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The Black church and Marxism: what do they have to say to each other
by Cone, James H. 1938- . Harrington, Michael 1928-1989

https://archive.org/details/TheBlackChurchAndMarxismWhatDoTheyHaveToSayToEachOther

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Liberation Theology and the KGB

Jay Richards | February 2, 2010

The presence of Marxism in liberation theology is well-known, at least to seminarians who are critical readers. Practically every seminarian reads Gustavo Gutierrez's Theology of Liberation at some point, but most laypeople find it hard to believe that there could have been (and continues to be) a widespread attempt to hybridize Christian theology and Marxism.

Marxist regimes obviously benefited from the spread of liberation theology in the churches. Still, I was not aware of any connections between liberation theology and communist clandestine organizations until now.

A new article by Robert D. Chapman in the International Journal of Intelligence and Counterintelligence begins to connect some dots. In "The Church in Revolution," Chapman, "a retired operations officer in the Clandestine Services Division of the Central Intelligence Agency," argues that the KGB infiltrated the Russian Orthodox Church through Metropolitan Nikodim, the Russian Orthodoxy's second-ranking prelate. Nikodim was a proponent of liberation theology. Nikodim was active in the otherwise-Protestant World Council of Churches. And the WCC, of course, became an actively left-wing organization during the last half of the 20th century.

Chapman also details the growth of liberation theology in Latin America-and the Vatican's struggles with it-and the growth of black liberation theology in the United States. Prominent proponents of the latter include James Cone and Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

The arguments of liberation theologians should be challenged on their merits. The source of an argument, after all, doesn't establish its truth or falsity. Still, it's interesting to learn that liberation theology may have been, at least in part, a project of the KGB.

Unfortunately, this isn't just history. Chapman concludes ominously:

"the Theology of Liberation doctrine is one of the most enduring and powerful to emerge from the KGB's headquarters. The doctrine asks the poor and downtrodden to revolt and form a Communist government, not in the name of Marx or Lenin, but in continuing the work of Jesus Christ, a revolutionary who opposed economic and social discrimination.

A friend of mine, a head of Catholic social services in my area and formerly a priest, is a liberation theologian. He has made a number of humanitarian trips to Central America and told me, "liberation theology is alive and well." The same can be said of its sibling in the United States [ie, Black Liberation Theology]."

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2010/02/liberation-theology-and-the-kgb/

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More on Liberation Theology and the Soviets
Catholic News Agency ^ | 5/15/2015 | Alejandro Bermudez

If the Soviet bloc wasn't the mother of liberation theology, it was certainly a sinister stepmother, enlisting Catholics in a geopolitical cause and inviting them to sell their souls for funding and support.

Only the naive can disregard the mountain of evidence connecting liberation theology with Soviet action in the region.

(Excerpt) Read more at catholicnewsagency.com ...

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

An anti-federalist such as Patrick Henry is a patriot first and a constitutionalist second. My kind of guy!

[little jeremiah]

Placemark.

[Carry_Okie]

I haven't heard from you on this, but out of the hope you've had time to muse, I thought I'd try another prompt at a reply. You: True, but therin lies the crux of the matter - if we accept the obvious by acknowledging ours is a Christian nation,

Me:I don't think that is necessary to the proof. Islam has uniquely disqualifying attributes, as are manifested in its behavior, simply from a mechanistic perspective. They MUST kill or force into submission followers of ALL other religions under penalty of death, meaning that for the dhimmitude there is no possibility of free exercise. Islam alone allows no other belief enforced on pain of death; it is the ultimate vow.

To which I might add, adherence to Islam is a claim for the license to wield power in violation of the unalienable rights of all other citizens. The Shahada is its declaration and binding oath, to simple to simply subsume. You: I think in order to avoid such philosophical conundrums, the country would be better served by targeting nationality, not religion.

Me: It's easier, but it won't work, or as we say in mathematics, necessary but not sufficient. Sometimes, forcing oneself to face said conundra is the path we must take. C'mon, you know you'd like that anyway. ;-)

Thoughts?

[Carry_Okie]

I have been pondering the Declaration. There is a curious and troubling transition to and from the first person to the third. "We hold these truths to be self-evident... endowed by their Creator..."

Why not "our Creator"? "We the people" are among "all men" too.

Yet the Constitution is broader, "We the people" which then brought everybody under that social contract, and then restricted the vote to landed males!

The distinction is important, Jefferson is saying that only the undersigned are pledging to institute 'government among men' to secure these rights as representatives of "all men." It did not incorporate "all men" into or under that original pledge, nor did they ever request anyone except immigrants to voluntarily enter into that contract.

[MamaTexan]

I haven't heard from you on this, but out of the hope you've had time to muse, I thought I'd try another prompt at a reply.

I think we're actually having different arguments. :-)

Yours, as I understand it, is that islam is incompatible with the concept of Biblical law and Natural law as well as the Constitution. This I both understand and accept as truth.

The problem is is that the Constitution doesn't sit in judgement of anyone's beliefs. It leaves one's beliefs in the realm of one's conscience, and it's ability to impact someone can only be outside of that.

Of course, if a terrorist actor comes from a particular mosque in the US, that mosque should be closed and all its members investigated. Countries that have terrorists in them should have ALL of there citizens evicted from the US and no citizens from those countries should be allowed in.

There are some perfectly Constitutional remedies to reduce the barbarian horde, and we always have the last recourse in a judicious application of the second amendment.

[Carry_Okie]

Yours, as I understand it, is that islam is incompatible with the concept of Biblical law and Natural law as well as the Constitution.

No, it was a legal argument. By adopting the Shahada they have declared themselves not to be a party to the social contract that is the Constitution; they are not among "we the people." They are not "people of the United States," because Islam does not recognize the United States as a nation. They are therefore dedicated on penalty of death thereby to the destruction of the very existence of the nation, as a global caliphate would not permit such to exist. That makes them literally a declared enemy of the United States.

[AmericanVictory]

Let us revive HUAC and have the FBI investigate those who, in their mosques and meetings, advocate the overthrow of the Constitution and thus the country’s government by force and violence, and deport or imprison them as appropriate.