Posted on 01/06/2016 8:00:32 AM PST by conservative98
This is an authenticated timeline of known facts concerning the citizenship of Senator Ted Cruz.
FACTUAL CRUZ CITIZENSHIP TIMELINE
(Everything presented in this timeline is a matter of public record. All of it is based upon publicly reported events, public statements made by Rafael Cruz, Ted Cruz, officials with the Elect Ted movement or U.S. and Canadian officials.)
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Mistake on my part. I was recalling Ted's BC, which gives the place of his mother's birth.
LOL, no problem we all make a mistake from time to time, even me :)
I agree with most of what you are saying. But I think on this one you are wrong.
Both before and after the Fourteenth Amendment to the federal Constitution, it has not been necessary for a person to be a citizen of the United States in order to be a citizen of his state.
Crosse v Board of Elections, Maryland, @1966
well you might be right I know very little about being a citizen of a state (has in New York state or the state of Texas).
Don’t feel bad - most people have no idea.
They think 14th amendment “citizen” of the United States is all there is.
I could tell you alot more than this, but I guess I’ll keep my mouth shut!
regards!!
This is not another type of citizenship, it's a class of naturalization. With few exceptions, one is born OUTside of the jurisdiction of the United States when one is born INside another country.
From Wong Kim Ark -
A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized, either by treaty, as in the case of the annexation of foreign territory, or by authority of congress, exercised either by declaring certain classes of persons to be citizens, as in the enactments conferring citizenship upon foreign-born children of citizens,..
Why do you suppose there are “no replies” to your post? ;)
That’s not too cool.
Whether Cruz himself is or was a dual citizen is irrelevant. What’s relevant is whether his mother was. If she was in fact a Canadian citizen, she was either a dual citizen or she was not a U.S. citizen at the time of Ted’s birth, which means that he is not a natural born citizen.
Well in Obama’s case, there’s unfortunately another level of the weeds that you have to get into. The statute providing for citizenship by descent from one parent included a minimum residency requirement as it related to that parent. Ann Dunham wouldn’t have met that requirement at the time of Barack’s birth.
It won't get through Congress and Trump would not sign a McConnell style general amnesty. It will probably end up in stalemate, just like it is today, because Republicans either don't want it, or fear that their voters don't want it. We end up with a wall and no on can come in except through a legal application process. That's how "the good ones" might come back, some of thems, the ones with money and expertise, by applying for entry.
Your hatred of The Donald makes you unbalanced. You will need to come back to earth when Ted eventually concedes the nomination to Trump. I hope you can.
Hey, there is a reply!
Check out post 115
I’ve been posting yours and 115 all over the board.
I like Cruz, but I despise logical inconsistencies and fallacies used to attack Trump.
I spent several months defending Trump against attacks from the left.
Criticizing a candidate who says he wants to expedite the good ones back is a legitimate issue. Your hatred for somebody who would dare criticize your candidate about such an important subject is your problem. And the more folks like you do that, the more trouble Trump is going to have if he is nominated.
Could you support Ted? I have my doubts.
Where does it say you can’t be a dual citizen and give birth to a US citizen?
I have said why I support Trump even though I like Cruz's positions on the issues more. It has to do with destruction of the GOPe, winning the election, and then setting the stage so that our kind of guy, a Cruz, can win down the road. Trump can win in NY and NJ. He will do great in FL and OH. He can talk over the heads of the media and Democrats, which is what I loved about Reagan. He can overcome the RNC sabotage that will attempt to elect Hillary so that the cronyism can continue. I don't think Cruz can do those things. He's not electric, he's not someone who the LIVs will support, and so the election will devolve into the standard politics of the past few cycles, in which the Dems have the advantage because they start with about 250 electoral votes in their pocket.
Strategy, my boy, strategy. Change the dynamic, get people excited again, join conservatives, Reagan Democrats and the increasingly disaffected blacks to the team, and then future conservatives can gain the benefit of having a new majority. Without 25 million new Mexican voters, the dynamic can change. Ted can't do that. He is Bill Buckley to Trump's Ronald Reagan. I loved Bill Buckley. Agreed with him on everything. I don't think Buckley could have won the Presidency if he ever ran, in spite of his brilliance. That's Ted. But Ted can win, after some seasoning in the VP bullpen.
You may disagree and want to see if Ted can win the Presidency this year. I don't want to take that chance, I don't think he can ignite a brushfire in anyone except the committed like us here on FR. I think you will find he won't catch Trump, and I don't want you and the others who are strongly against Cruz to a) talk down Trump any more than Cruz does; and b) go home angry if and when Trump wins the nomination. We all need to stick together in this. Believe me, if Cruz wins the nomination, I will do all I can on his behalf, and would love to be proven wrong about his chances in the general.
Asking whether I could support Ted is just stupid. Try to be better than that in the future.
Canadian law at the time prohibited dual citizenship.
Just responding in kind to your stupid comment...
Addressing the rest of your post, a few points...
I have always said that I would support Trump if he is the nominee.
I've defended Trump from attacks on the left.
Various polls show Cruz doing better than Trump against Hillary and that Trump has much higher negatives than Cruz.
Good that you like Cruz supporters. Any criticisms I've had of some Trump supporters, I've always qualified with the determiner "some".
You think the GOPe will use Cruz to get Trump and perhaps they are. I would add that I think the left is using Trump to get Cruz.
We'll have to disagree on strategy.
What did US law say? We are not bound by Canadian law.
bump
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