Posted on 01/02/2016 8:26:28 PM PST by TBP
Three of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy's sons and what they claim are 150 militia members have occupied a federal building in eastern Oregon in order to keep two local ranchers out of prison, according to local reports.
The group is believed to be heavily-armed.
According to The Oregonian, the group seized the headquarters building at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge about 50 miles outside Burns, Ore. The remote facility was closed and unoccupied at the time.
Bundy and his supporters were in Oregon after two men were scheduled to go to prison on Monday for setting fires on federal land, according to a report by Oregon Public Broadcasting. The case has caused a stir in eastern Oregon because the two men were charged under anti-terrorism laws.
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-- Thomas Jefferson
So you admit you know nothing about the facts but cry; "Get a Rope."
Thank you for admitting you made a mistake. It takes a big person to do that.
Cheat Grass hasn’t helped that cycle any, and it was one of the reasons I signed a grazing lease on my section shortly after buying it. It’s mostly in my canyon, with the slopes still showing pretty good bunch grasses and gobs of sage.
You should review the particulars of a story before making impassioned stands...
The government out West tends to be a group of zealous bullies - while ironically, the Westerners tend to be a lot like the Founding Fathers...
Location in general is between Boise ID and Bend, OR about 30 miles south of Burns, OR.
You can zoom in on Google Maps-Earth etc.....
This is going to get ugly and really quick.
Just caught this updated post. Sounds like you understand what's going on.
My post #166 still stands, but apparently you don't need the contents any longer.
For the reading list: The Mysterious Stranger, various iterations, Samuel Clemens. :)
The building apparently in question I guess would be at the front near the big public parking lot with a smaller lot near the building itself....there appear to be some other buildings nearby.
Done smarter than this... is there an instruction manual for how it should start?
Something like this is probably exactly how it will start.
Anyway, what about the 1st amendment of right of assembly?
From Wikipedia:
“The Whiskey Rebellion demonstrated that the new national government had the will and the ability to suppress violent resistance to its laws. The whiskey excise remained difficult to collect, however. The events contributed to the formation of political parties in the United States, a process already underway. The whiskey tax was repealed after Thomas Jefferson’s Republican Party, which opposed Hamilton’s Federalist Party, came to power in 1801.”
True indeed! I have some friends who are working on a project in Oregon that indicates late season grazing of wetted cheat (to soften the seed) seems to help a great deal. As a grass, it does have somewhat higher protein content.
Yeah, there's probably a bunch of Fed gear queers getting a stiffy over what they're gonna do to these "uppity civvies"...
In some places and times, burn, in others, graze. Frankly, how to optimize these systems remains unknown, but for sure they will go untried with the whores for FedGov involved.
‘They should go to prison. Who are these freaks? Possibly endangering people and wildlife and for what? What gives them the right to do this?’
They don’t have a right to do it - unless they had grazing rights on a lease and with it reasonable expectation that the land leased to them for grazing was to be kept suitable for it - and the custom [up until this admin] was to maintain grassland/prairie by burning.
Fire is not automatically a negative thing- while it can destroy life in one short incident, over the long term it is far more beneficial to life by reinvigorating and renewing the most nutritious plants for wildlife than no fires at all... and when conducted at regular intervals, it prevents huge devastating conflagrations caused by buildup of woody brush. The forest service itself eventually came to its senses and changed its no fire ‘Smoky the Bear’ policy to one of proscribed burns for these reasons.
I suspect the Obama admin, in its pursuit of a no-humans environmental policy, has decided to shut down commercial leases for grazing as it has done for mining and oil in the sneakiest way it can, in the case of ranchers by simply failing to maintain prairie by fire, and allowing rank overgrowth of shrubby vegetation and trees to kill off grasses and wildflower meadowlands that herbivores, domestic and wild, prefer.
That’s not to say that ranchers here are right- the court apparently thinks otherwise - because people tend to overexploit what they rent rather than own, and some oversight is appropriate to prevent overgrazing. Some Oregon sheep ranchers have overgrazed before. If they don’t have proscribed burning allowed in their lease to maintain forage [and they probably don’t because they’ve probably held the leases for generations... since before the phrase was even a defined practice] then they are legally screwed whether or not the burning was beneficial or routine up until now for doing what may in fact have been a widely accepted, even expected, practice for leaseholders ...that even the Native Americans once used from the west to the East coast up to historic times to increase the range and abundance of elk and bison all the way to the Virginia Coast.
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For Lureline’s sakes. I went by the information posted on this website. How am I supposed to intuitively know if this story was true or not? Based on the last paragraph of the excerpt, I do not think that it was unreasonable for me to make the assumption that they were arsonists. I’ve admitted my mistake, said I misunderstood, and apologized for my impetuousness. What more do you want from me?
Perhaps it was just an editorial slip but the authors used the past tense to describe a date that lies in the future. Makes it sound like the Hammonds have refused to comply.
I made a mistake. You are welcome to view all of my posts stating I was in the wrong. I can do no more than that. I was going off of the last paragraph of the excerpt which led me to believe this was an arson situation.
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