Until White America looks at Tamir Rice and sees their own children...

Salon (Who Else?) ^ | 12/29/2015 | Chauncey Devega

[Responsibility2nd]

FULL TITLE: Until White America looks at Tamir Rice and sees their own children, there will be no racial justice in the U.S.

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The failure to indict the police who killed Tamir Rice, Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Rekia Boyd, and so many others forces an uncomfortable question. Could it be that black people in America (and the West, more generally) are somehow “stained”? Are they marked for special punishment? Is the Curse of Ham real, does that Judeo-Christian mythology from the era of colonialism, white empire, and chattel slavery endure into the post civil rights and ostensibly “post racial” American present?

Research in psychology and other fields has demonstrated that many white people do not feel that blacks are worthy of empathy. Other work shows that many white people possess a deep subconscious belief which dehumanizes black people by linking them with apes and other primates. Psychologists have also determined that white people consistently view black children as being older than they actually are. Other research has shown that white people believe that blacks have superhuman, magical powers. Implicit bias research suggests that approximately 50 percent of whites (as well as members of other groups) hold racist and prejudicial attitudes towards black people.

And of course, America’s police are quicker in their decision to shoot unarmed black people than they are whites in the same scenario. Likewise, America’s police also somehow believe that harmless objectswhen held by a black person are transformed into lethal items such as guns and knives.

These examples suggest that the White Gaze views “blackness,” and by implication, black people, as toxins in the white body politic, a human curse, or even worse as “takers” and social parasites.

[the_individual2014]

Problem with these articles is that they want to talk about ending racism, but assign blame to all folks of the same color, that does not help and it is wrong, black or white.

[bolobaby]

Again - go back to my original post. I specifically stated that I am *ignorant* of whether or not he was committing a crime. WAS HE threatening strangers? I’m not aware of that aspect of this story. In what way was he threatening strangers? Did he point it at strangers? Because we did that a lot as kids too.

“Bang, mister! You’re dead!”

It wasn’t considered such a threat back then because we weren’t all raging hoplophobes.

Unless you can point me to some specific facts on this one, I’ll defer to the hoplophobe explanation which currently includes people being threatened by drawings of guns, pop tarts chewed into the shape of a gun, and a t-shirt with a stormtrooper carrying a blaster.

[MinuteGal]

I saw the pellet gun and a real gun side by side on TV...they looked, to all extents and purposes, IDENTICAL.

Leni

[thackney]

How do you get 20+ years on a site that is less than 20 years old?

[cripplecreek]

Black Activists in Detroit Blame Democrats for Violence

Black activists got angry when the Detroit Police Chief James Craig called the people responsible for shooting 12 people on a playground killing one of them urban terrorists. They complained about the insult and want him to apologize. Craig refused to back down and stuck to his guns.

[the_individual2014]

I’m am not a fan of the thug society but that does not belong on here, and correct me if I am wrong but I do not think Jim Robertson would approve of that immature statement on his website, man up for real.

[thackney]

WAS HE threatening strangers? I’m not aware of that aspect of this story.

That was why the 911 call was placed.

The gun was modified to look real.

[Responsibility2nd]

I’m a troll? Either you can’t count, or you’re a LIAR hoping people wouldn’t notice.

(You’ve not been here 20+ years. No one has.)

BTTT. You are the only nitwit on this thread defending Tamir Rice and the BLM morons.

[Jim from C-Town]

Tamir Rice was brandishing a realistic looking Air Soft gun that had its’ orange tip removed to make it look exactly like a 1911 45.

He actually was committing a serious crime aggravated menacing a First Degree misdemeanor and he was going to be arrested had he actually complied with the police had not pulled the pistol. He would have been put into the Juvenile Court System.

[trisham]

Pellet guns can be deadly.

[Myrddin]

The "toy" was a perfect replica. Visit a Big 5 Sports and check out the authentic reproductions done as BB or pellet guns. There is no way a cop can discern a real firearm from a "toy" just by visuals at a distance. When you pull it out in the presence of armed law enforcement, you should expect a response in kind.

I saw a nearly perfect reproduction of the S&W TRR8 8-shot 357mag revolver at Big 5. $199 for a CO2 powered BB/pellet gun. Enough velocity to injure or kill. Not a toy. Treat it as you would handle any firearm.

The "toy" above. Actual firearm below.

[don-o]

I do not think Jim Robertson would approve of that immature statement on his website, man up for real.

I think you mean Jim Thompson.

[Scirparius]

It's not race, it's culture.

Associating a certain culture with violence based on the history, attitudes and values inherent in that culture (including as expressed by members of that culture) is entirely rational.

Associating a person of a particular race with a certain culture based on high correlation of the two is rational, especially when said person is displaying the outward customs and traditions of that culture (clothing, etc.).

Therefore, this is not about racism. This is not assuming a black person is violent or dangerous because he/she is black.

This is culture. This is assuming the person is dangerous because he/she bears all the hallmarks of being a member of a culture in which criminals and criminal behavior is glorified, in which violence and thuggery are not only acceptable but lauded, in which defiance and hatred against persons of authority outside the culture is praised and promoted, in which ideals like self-responsibility and legal accountability are derided and exiled, and, most of all, in which life is simply not valued.

So you can cite as many "studies" that "prove" that "all white people" associate black people with monkeys or whatever you want. The truth is: if you talk the talk, rational people are going to assume you walk the walk.

If you look like a thug, talk like a thug, dress like a thug, and act like a thug, don't go crying home to the ACLU when the cops treat you like a thug.

When your culture values and praises thugs, fashions its customs and behavior after thugs, lifts thugs up as their heroes and idols, is governed and headed by thugs, and reviles things like law and order, virtue and honor... don't complain when everyone else thinks your culture is a bunch of thugs.

And to those who think their skin color somehow insulates them and their offspring from the above: culture is contagious, especially when that culture is glorified and lauded in media and entertainment.

Culture transcends race, and spreads across boundaries that race could never conquer. Just ask any white power skinhead with his pants sagging off his ass and teardrop tattoos on his cheek.

[donna]

Seriously, everyone should just stop reading and posting from Salon, Slate, MSNBC and the other extreme leftists. They aren't worth any time and you are just giving them hits.

So true. Let's post conservative sites that don't get any coverage:

Accuracy in Media
Claremont Institute
Conservative Chronicle
Eagle Forum
Heritage Foundation
Horowitz Freedom Center
Media Research Center
American Spectator
Breitbart
CNSNews.com
Frontpage Mag
Human Events
Jewish World Review
National Review
NewsMax
Reason Magazine
Town Hall
Washington Times
WorldNetDaily

[chae]

But as a black man, I do understand that black lives matter. You know, I stand for that, I believe in that wholeheartedly.

But I also think that there’s a way to go about things, and there’s a way to do things. And I think the issue at hand needs to be addressed internally, and before we move on, because from personal experience, you know, you have living in the hood, living in the inner city, you deal with things, you deal with people dying. Dealt with a best friend getting killed ... it was two 35-year-old black men. Wasn’t no police officer involved, wasn’t anybody else involved, and I didn’t hear anybody shouting “black lives matter” then ... and I think that’s the point we need to get to is that we need to deal with our own internal issues before we move forward and start pointing fingers and start attacking other people. We need to solidify ourselves as people and deal with our issues, because I think as long as we have black-on-black crime and, you know, one black man killing another ... if black lives matter, then it should matter all the time. You should never let somebody get killed — that’s somebody’s son, that’s somebody’s brother, that’s somebody’s friend. So you should always keep that in mind.

And there’s a lot of dealings with police officers right now, I don’t think all cops are bad. You know, I think there’s some great cops out there, who do everything in their power to uphold the badge and uphold the honor and protect the people in society. But there are bad cops, and I think that also needs to be addressed. I think the police officers we have right now — you know, some of it is being brought to light, because of video cameras, everybody has a camera phone. But these are things a lot of us have dealt with our whole lives. And I think right now is a perfect time to deal with it. The climate we’re in ... everybody’s being more accepting, you know, so I think the ignorance should stop. I think people realize that, at the end of the day, we’re all human beings. So, you know, before we’re black, white, Asian, Polynesian, Latino — we’re humans. So, it’s up to us to stop it. Thank you.”

That was a quote from Richard Sherman of the Seattle Seahawks

[the_individual2014]

Yes, thank you for the correction, forgive me was attempting to aid in being civil on here.

[kaehurowing]

#StopBlackViolence

[Jim from C-Town]

I live around four miles from where this happened. My wife drives by the back of the rec center every day on her way to downtown. I have occasion to be in the area from time to time as I do business with one of the local wholesale dealers. ...

That kid had stuck that gun in my face and I would have shot him dead as I carry most days and every time I go to that neighborhood. It has been crappy for thirty years since they put the CCMHA apartments in the area.

[kaehurowing]

Policeman

Not Guilty.

[infool7]

Way back when I was 16 in 1979 my brother, two years younger than I, and his good friend Brad decided to load up spitballs in their Crossman 1911 look alike bb pistols and start chasing my sister and her friend around in the front yard. The girls were screaming in terror as they ran into the street. They hadn’t been at it long when a cruiser screeched up (within about eight feet) and a young and obviously rattled officer pulled and pointed his REAL GUN at Brad. This was before all of this orange tip silliness. Luckily Brad reacted properly and quickly enough to keep from getting shot but the memory is still fresh.

The state of things today make it very foolish to allow even young children to play unsupervised with look alike guns. Anyone over 12 “playing” with a fake replica gun is up to no good and/or taking their life in their own hands.

This whole sad incident falls squarely under the play stupid games win stupid prizes category.