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The Vast Majority Myth (moderate muslims and sharia)
Crisis Magazine ^ | December 16, 2015 | WILLIAM KILPATRICK

Posted on 12/17/2015 11:42:42 AM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 12/17/2015 11:42:42 AM PST by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...
Our own culture is completely sold on the importance of having role models to emulate, but hasn’t yet grasped the consequences that follow when 1.6 billion people take Muhammad as their primary role model.

Nails it, ping!

2 posted on 12/17/2015 11:43:27 AM PST by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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Why would the religion of peace have a House of War in their faith?


3 posted on 12/17/2015 11:53:36 AM PST by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: NYer

Even if the vast majority of muslims are “peaceful”, that does not mean that they are not supporting the violent muslims, whether through financial or other means of support.


4 posted on 12/17/2015 11:53:39 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

If they advocate Sharia law, they are not just Muslims, they are Islamunists advocating Islamunism.

There is no place in this world for Sharia law.


5 posted on 12/17/2015 11:54:12 AM PST by Fhios (How about we call it a a war on sharia law?)
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The moderate majority is irrelevant. Only a small minority of Germans were actually Nationalist Socialist German Workingmen’s Party members in 1933, and the coalition NEVER had majority support among Germans. But they had all the guns, and had thoroughly intimidated the entire rest of the German population at the time into compliance with their version of the “new rule of law”, which in fact was largely in conflict with the existing body of law that had governed Germany only a few years previously. Those who resisted ended up being summarily executed, using the “new rule of law”. No judge, no jury, no appeal, and no mercy.

An exactly parallel situation exists with the institution of Shari’ah Law in areas where an entirely different code of law had been in force, for generations or even centuries. Whether possession of guns is legal or not, those under Shari’ah law now declare themselves exempt from any existing previous legal codes, and they enforce their new declaration with the business end of firearms.


6 posted on 12/17/2015 11:55:43 AM PST by alloysteel (Do not argue with trolls. That means they win.)
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There are about 3,000,000 (3M) Muslims in the U.S. Many hundreds of thousands of them completely reject America, its freedom, and many want to kill you for exercising your freedoms.

Here are their opinions:

Sharia in America: "51% of U.S. Muslims (1.5M) ... polled believe ... that they should have the choice of American or Sharia courts" (1)

Reject U.S. Law: 61%. Only "39% of (U.S. Muslims, ~1.2M) said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts." (1) That means the other 61% (~1.8M) of U.S. Muslims believe they should not be subject to American courts.

Sharia Superiority: 33% of U.S. Muslims (~1M) believe that "If Sharia conflicts with the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights", then Sharia "should be considered supreme." (1)

Violence against First Amendment Rights: 29% (~900,000) U.S. Muslims agree that "violence against those who insult the prophet mohammed, the quran, or the Islamic faith is sometimes acceptable." (1)

Sharia by Jihad: 11% of U.S. Muslims (~330,000) believe that Sharia is "The Muslims god allah's Law that Muslims must follow and impose world-wide via Jihad" (1)

(1) https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

Keep in mind that the bias of respondents should be to shade their answers to be more acceptable to other Americans, lest they become the targets of legal investigation for their subversive opinions. Therefore, the results above should be considered the bare minimum, and the real opinion of American muslims is likely worse than shown.

7 posted on 12/17/2015 11:55:47 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (The GOPe / RINO / Uniparty wants a Cruz v. Trump Death Match. Don't give it to them.)
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Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim


8 posted on 12/17/2015 11:56:04 AM PST by butlerweave
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Muslims are evil and dangerous. And anyone who believes and acts that they are not has his or her head in the sand.


9 posted on 12/17/2015 11:58:54 AM PST by mulligan (I)
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To: NYer

Keep. Them. Out.


10 posted on 12/17/2015 11:59:09 AM PST by samtheman (I support Trump)
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To: NYer

11 posted on 12/17/2015 12:08:45 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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“Briefly, the assigned mission of Islam is to conquer the world for Allah. Submission to Allah is the highest human good. Any means to carry it out is good if it is successful. Carrying out this mission, in this view, is a Muslim’s vocation. With the re-establishment of the caliphate, this mission can now recommence.”

This is all you need to know about Muzzies!


12 posted on 12/17/2015 12:13:49 PM PST by vette6387
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Speaking at Kanal D TV's Arena program in 2007, Turkey's Prime Minister (now President) Recep Tayyip Erdogan commented on the term "moderate Islam", often used in the West and said,
"These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that's it."

(Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007)

13 posted on 12/17/2015 12:17:18 PM PST by Baynative (Liberty lost is a high price to pay for the experiment of socialism.)
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OMG . . .

Proposition 2. The vast majority of people go with the flow.

Their own point two destroys their own entire argument, hands down.

People who have their own religious based food restrictions, their own calender, their own mandatory language (Arabic, very badly spoken or not), who pray five times a day, are told at least every Friday that they have to fight and die for Allah, and that imitating a cruel, murderous, Satanic, pedophile, is the path to heaven, are "going with the flow" when they finally start killing infidels (i.e. Christians and everyone else who is not a Muzzie).

Dang.

14 posted on 12/17/2015 12:19:42 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: butlerweave

Yep, or saying it another way:

Radical Muslim: Wants to kill you.
Moderate Muslim: Wants a Radical Muslim to kill you.


15 posted on 12/17/2015 12:22:09 PM PST by pyrless (If you're gonna burn our flag, make sure you wrap yourself in it first!)
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To: NYer
Thank you, great article.

Briefly, the assigned mission of Islam is to conquer the world for Allah.

Those that wish to transform and remake our nation clearly enjoy our inability to distinguish between a murderous cult and the myth that islam is a religion entitled to lst A protection.

Sadly, it appears the American government is doing all it can to perpetuate that myth.

Perhaps just as we removed Nazism from Germany and allowed its population to continue with a more balanced lifestyle, we must remove the Koran and Sharia law from islam.

16 posted on 12/17/2015 12:40:06 PM PST by frog in a pot (What if only a previous Democrat says most of the things we want to hear from the Republicans?)
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After a while, the radical position won't seem so radical. In fact, it will start to make sense. Such a change of heart is not purely a matter of cowardice. No one likes to think of himself as a coward, and so we have ways of convincing ourselves that we are acting out of good, even virtuous motives, rather than cowardly ones.

AKA Stockholm Syndrome. All the more powerful when you're not really a kidnap victim, an outsider, to begin with.

Or, to change the metaphor, they wait to see which way the wind is blowing. In Islam, the wind is blowing once again in a radical direction.

I would change that metaphor a little. Islam has always blown in only one direction, war. The wind just rises and falls from time to time. At present it is rising.

To further illustrate the fallacy of the "majority are peaceful" theme consider the U.S. Army and the war in Iraq as an example. The premise is that only those who actually pick up arms and fire them at somebody are the "radicals." The majority of our army did not deploy to Iraq. The majority of those who deployed to Iraq didn't engage directly in combat. The "vast" majority were "peaceful" army soldiers who simply fixed equipment, transported supplies, ran medical facilities, prepared food, operated computers and radios and so forth.

By the standard being applied to muslims we can say that the "vast majority" of Army personnel in Iraq were just peaceful moderate people who merely happened to be employed in a war zone by random circumstance. And the far larger number of Army personnel elsewhere in the world? Well, they had nothing to do with anything. C'mon, man!

17 posted on 12/17/2015 12:44:15 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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In 1932, Hitler received “only” 37% of the vote for German president, losing to Hindenberg. Also in 1932, the Nazi Party won only 37% of Reichstag legislature seats. The violent SA Brownshirts were “only” 400,00 strong, or about 0.6% of a nation with a population a little over 65 million.

Germany’s population in 1932 was 65 million. Today, about the same number of persons — 63 million — in several heavily Muslim nations have a “favorable” view of ISIS. (See the Pew survey data.) If one considers those Muslims in the surveyed nations who have a “don’t know” opinion of ISIS, this number would increase to 273 million. Only 273 million.

Happily, whether ISIS supporters are 63 million or 273 million, the number is substantially smaller than those who have an “unfavorable” view of ISIS. As Pew reports, the view of ISIS in these mostly-Muslim nations is “overwhelmingly negative.”

Whew! Doesn’t that make you feel better!

And, happily, of those 63 million persons who have a “favorable” view of ISIS, I am sure that only a small minority would ever, ever, ever personally engage in any violent acts, just as most Germans, never themselves committed an act of violence against a Pole or Czech or Belgian or Frenchman or Russian or Gypsy or Jew. The same can be said for that much smaller number of persons who were supporters of the German National Socialist Party.

So have a happy day, but be sure to read the Quran and Hadith, which present the core of religious and political truth to your friendly Muslim neighbor, who almost certainly would never lift a finger to hurt you or anybody. You might invite him to dinner, along with your other friendly neighbor who happens to be an advocate of German National Socialism and the Furher, Herr Hitler. You can all read Mein Kamf and the Hadith together, and celebrate the rich diversity in other faiths, cultures, and points of view.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with- significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/ft_15-11- 17_isis_views/


18 posted on 12/17/2015 12:44:26 PM PST by mbarker12474
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Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim.

No. Consider the drug cartels.

Also some Hindi.

This or that African tribe, see South Sudan today, for example.

19 posted on 12/17/2015 12:47:31 PM PST by mbarker12474
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To: mbarker12474

Ping


20 posted on 12/17/2015 1:12:33 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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