Banning Gun Sales to People on No-Fly List May Not Be Constitutional, Experts Say (Capt Obvious)

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[Red in Blue PA]

On Thursday, Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy announced plans to issue an executive order barring anyone listed on federal terrorist watch lists from purchasing a gun in the state. But while the idea of “no fly, no gun” has found growing support following the mass shooting in San Bernardino last week, including that of President Obama, experts say such a policy may be unconstitutional.

The problem lies with the terrorist watch lists themselves, which are both secret and routinely updated without the typical due process given to those who are accused of breaking the law, such as court proceedings. Without a trial, the government can add anyone to watch lists who it believes may be a threat to national security—and exactly how the government defines such a threat isn’t even public knowledge.

“The government doesn’t release its criteria,” says Elizabeth Goitein, co-director of the Liberty & National Security Program at New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice. “It’s really a black box.”

[TigersEye]

Exactly. That would ruin the purpose of the no-fly list. I have to wonder if that is 0bama's stealth purpose here. I'm sure he knows this would never affect gun owners as I am sure he knows this would greatly increase the ability of jihadis to get into the country.

He has done a lot more in that area than he has on gun control.

Whistleblower Says He Could Have Prevented CA Attack If Gov't Didn't Cut Funding

0bama blocked investigations of anyone Islamic. The San Bernardino attack was not an intelligence failure it was a policy success of stopping investigations of terrorists in their tracks and deleting the case files.

[publiusF27]

One of my favorite activities lately is to ask people who support using the No Rights List to deny gun purchases whether they think terrorists should be picking our leaders.

All of a sudden, the idea that an Attorney General could swing Florida’s electoral votes simply by declaring a few hundred people to be officially scary occurs to them.

[KeyLargo]

ILLINOIS

URGENT ALERT - YOUR ACTION NEEDED
GUN CONFISCATION LEGISLATION INTRODUCED IN ILLINOIS
MOST ANTI-GUN BILL EVER

Earlier today, hardcore antigun extremists in the Illinois House introduced HB4359 which would require you to surrender your FOID card and firearms if your name ever appears on the government’s “NO FLY LIST.” Obama and the gun grabbers would like you to believe that people on this list are too dangerous to own guns. If one accepts that simplistic view, then HB4359 might make sense to them. However, the thinking person will have a lot of serious questions about the no-fly list.
NO-FLY LIST Q&A:
1. Q: How does a person get on the No-Fly List? A: That’s a secret.
2. Q: Who adds names to the No-Fly List? A: Bureaucrats and political appointees.
3. Q: By whose authority are names added to the No-Fly List? A: That’s a secret.
4. Q: Can a person’s name be placed on the No-Fly List for political reasons? A: That’s a secret.
5. Q: Does a person have to be convicted of a crime to be on the No-Fly List? A: No.
6. Q: Is a person whose name is on the No-Fly List given the opportunity to face their accuser(s)? A: No.
7. Q: Does a person’s name remain on the list forever? A: Probably.
8. Q: How many names were on the No-Fly List when Obama took office? A: 50,000.
9. Q: How many names are on the No-Fly List today? A: 750,000.
10. Q: Is the No-Fly List a dangerous affront to liberty? A: Yes.

WHO ARE THE LEGISLATORS RESPONSIBLE FOR HB4359?
1. Rep. Greg Harris (217) 782-3835
2. Rep. Lou Lang (217) 782-1252
3. Rep. Deborah Conroy (217) 782-8158
4. Rep. Litesa Wallace (217) 782-3167
5. Rep. Emanuel Welch (217) 782-8120
6. Rep. Christian Mitchell (217) 782-2023
7. Rep. Jaime Andrade, Jr. (217) 782-8117
8. Rep. Martin Moylan (217) 782-8007
9. Rep. Cynthia Soto (217) 782-0150
10. Rep. Mary Flowers (217) 782-4207
11. Rep. Anna Moeller (217) 782-8020
12. Rep. Kathleen Willis (217) 782-3374
13. Rep. John D’Amico (217) 782-8198
14. Rep. Sonya Harper (217) 782-5971
15. Rep. Camille Lilly (217) 782-6400
WHAT DOES HB4359 MEAN TO YOU?
IF THIS BILL PASSES AND YOU EVER END UPON THE NO-FLY LIST:
NO ARREST
NO TRIAL
NO JUDGE
NO JURY
NO APPEAL
NO GUNS

WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO PROTECT YOUR GUN RIGHTS:
1. Call each of the Representatives listed above and politely tell the person who answers the phone that you do not support HB4359 and its attack on the 2nd and 5th Amendments.
2. Call your State Representative and politely tell them that you would like them to vote against HB4359. If you do not know who your state representative is, then click this link at the Illinois State Board of Elections:
http://www.elections.state.il.us/districtlocator/districtofficialsearchbyaddress.aspx
3. Pass this Alert on to all your friends and family, ask them to make calls too.
4. Post this Alert on any Internet blogs and Social Media sites to which you may belong.
WE ARE HERE TO DEFEND YOU
Rest assured that the ISRA will be keeping on top of developments in this situation. visit our web site: http://www.isra.org

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