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Loretta Lynch: We will prosecute hateful rhetoric about Muslims that "edges towards violence"
Hot Air.com ^ | December 4, 2015 | ALLAHPUNDIT

Posted on 12/04/2015 7:13:52 PM PST by Kaslin

Via BuzzFeed. To be honest, I’m not sure my headline captures what she’s saying. Watch the clip and ask yourself if she’s talking about hateful acts or hateful speech. Not so clear, is it? She mentions speech and rhetoric and the First Amendment but she keeps coming back to prosecuting actions. If all she’s saying is that she’ll charge anyone who acts violently towards Muslims, that’s not newsworthy. That’s her doing her job. If what she’s saying is that she’ll charge anyone who speaks violently about Muslims, that’s something else. She could have spoken perfectly clearly on this subject if she wanted to. The fact that she didn’t means she intended to be vague. How come?

You have the right to say you hate a particular person or a particular group. You don’t have the right to try to harm that person or group. One is speech, protected by the First Amendment, the other is action. The gray area is when someone uses speech to encourage someone else to act violently. Even then, speech is usually protected. You can say, e.g., “let’s kill the atheists” without fear of going to jail. If you say that, though, to someone who seems like he really does want to kill some atheists and there just so happens to be some atheists nearby at that moment, then you can be prosecuted for saying it. That’s incitement. The rule courts follow in analyzing a case like that is whether the speech was intended to produce, and likely to produce, imminent lawless action. Because of that, it’s almost impossible to be guilty of incitement in most situations. If you’re addressing an angry mob, you’re in the danger zone. Anywhere else — especially if your speech consists of writing, not spoken words, since writing can’t trigger “imminent” action — and you’re safe. Threats operate similarly. If you say “the atheists should be killed,” courts will chalk that up to hyperbole or political grandstanding and refuse to let the state prosecute for it. If you say it, though, to a group of atheists while your hand rests uneasily on your holstered semiautomatic, well, that’s different. That threat seems real. You can go to jail for that.

So, with that as background, what does this mean?

"Now obviously this is a country that is based on free speech," she said. "but when it edges towards violence, when we see the potential for someone lifting that mantle of anti-Muslim rhetoric or, as we saw after 9/11, violence against individuals when we see that, we will take action."…

"I think it's important that as we again talk about the importance of free speech we make it clear that actions predicated on violent talk are not America. They are not who we are, they are not what we do, and they will be prosecuted," she concluded.

Actions will be prosecuted? Yup, that’s typically how law enforcement works. Speech that “edges towards violence” will be prosecuted? That’s … sometimes how law enforcement works, if it meets the rule I described above about threats or incitement. If it doesn’t, though, then she’s talking out of her ass — or at least, she is for the moment. Some Democrats are jonesing for a new legal standard that would let the state charge people with “hate speech.” Is Lynch one of them? Is she going to try to prosecute someone for writing “kill all the Muslims” or whatever on Facebook, hoping/expecting that the Supreme Court will revisit its rules for free speech and allow that conviction to stand? Or is she just pandering to her audience (a Muslim advocacy group) by floating some legal gobbledygook about speech that “edges towards violence,” when in reality all she means are the threats and incitement that are already criminal under the law?

TRUNEWS VIDEO: AG Loretta Lynch to Prosecute 'Anti-Muslim Speech'


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; attorneygeneral; brandenburg; doj; firstamendment; hateful; highcrimes; incitement; lorettalynch; lynch; muslim; obama; rhetoric; treason; waronfreespeech; waronmuslimwomen
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To: Kaslin
One of my favorite movies [Comes A Horseman] has a scene that explicates what one should do when confronted by bullying, threatening blowhards:

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Somepin I can do for you, Loretta, you Islamofascist bitch?

81 posted on 12/04/2015 8:14:28 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: doc1019

Oh, no, I hope you keep it so I can see it. I never even see my own tag line. I was saying that I may change mine to, “DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN RADICALIZED”.


82 posted on 12/04/2015 8:15:15 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: doc1019

One year to go with this BS, I hope we make it.


It’s going to get worse because every day POS Obama is going to get more determined and obstinate.


83 posted on 12/04/2015 8:16:32 PM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Kaslin
Somebody get Loretta a copy of the Bill of Rights.

"Get back Loretta!"

"Go home." - Paul McCartney

84 posted on 12/04/2015 8:22:28 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Who is fact checking the state controlled, leftwing media's fact checkers?)
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To: CitizenUSA

The only only thing that made it bearable was spending a year learning their language prior to moving there. That really shook a lot of them up when that secret came out.


85 posted on 12/04/2015 8:26:36 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: Kaslin

But it’s ok to have rhetoric all over the media by BLM, threatening police. Pigs in a blanket. Fry ‘em like bacon.


86 posted on 12/04/2015 8:35:13 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Kaslin

“If the tide of public opinion turns against Islam, I will stand with Islam.”

Quislings and traitors.

The terrorists amongst us are blatantly killing innocent Americans and these scheisters threaten to prosecute loyal American citizens.


87 posted on 12/04/2015 8:36:11 PM PST by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: marron

Outrageous. We must get rid of these people.


88 posted on 12/04/2015 8:38:32 PM PST by altura (Cruz for our country)
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To: Jeff Head

The Islamic-Terrorist-In-Chief?


89 posted on 12/04/2015 8:40:03 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: Chauncey Uppercrust

She would prosecute Franklin in a minute if she thought she could survive the backlash.


90 posted on 12/04/2015 8:40:46 PM PST by altura (Cruz for our country)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Loretta, you ignorant bootlicking marxist slut.

Nobody believes you, nobody with eve half a brain


91 posted on 12/04/2015 8:42:21 PM PST by Gasshog (DemoKKKrats: Leaders of the Free Stuff World)
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To: Kaslin

The fact that she is intentionally being vague about what she is intentionally being vague about speaks more to her true intentions than what she isn’t saying.


92 posted on 12/04/2015 8:42:47 PM PST by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: VideoDoctor

There was a time when I would not have believed Obama was a Muslim.

That time is past.


93 posted on 12/04/2015 8:43:50 PM PST by altura (Cruz for our country)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Defensive acts, of course. It’s probably a pretty good idea to arm up, especially in some areas of the country where the (Democrat) governments aren’t willing to protect their own citizens.


94 posted on 12/04/2015 8:47:04 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: RitaOK

The months till we get rid of Obama will be dangerous but I think he, Loretta and all their ilk gravely underestimate the mood of the majority of Americans right now.

It was strongly anti-Muslim before but San Bernadino upped the ante.


95 posted on 12/04/2015 8:47:13 PM PST by altura (Cruz for our country)
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To: Kaslin

Nothing edged toward violence like the rhetoric about George W. Bush a few years back.


96 posted on 12/04/2015 9:05:35 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: altura

I believed he was a Muslim in July 2008, which is when I put in my request to retire, prior to election day. Never wanted to serve on active duty for one single day with this pri*k as the Commander in Chief. Have never regretted that decision.


97 posted on 12/04/2015 9:44:26 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: LucyT; Nachum; null and void; All

you have GOT to see this video... this is former rep Joe Walsh from Illinois, giving LL some well-deserved b*tch-slapping...

http://hypeline.org/joe-walsh/


98 posted on 12/04/2015 9:46:26 PM PST by bitt (If Obama is really worried about �the children�, he should be bombing planned parenthood.)
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To: Kaslin

99 posted on 12/04/2015 9:49:38 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Kaslin
I suppose that includes such terms as camel cowboy, goat charmer, boxcutter, clit chopper, diaper head, goat roper, fig gobbler, roach herder, sand moolie, shit fingers. . .
100 posted on 12/04/2015 10:48:56 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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