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1 posted on 11/30/2015 11:55:21 PM PST by Helicondelta
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This is mostly imaginary, based on what he didn’t say. I’ll pass on that.


2 posted on 11/30/2015 11:56:41 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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That seems to be the definitive difference between him and Trump.

Trump has spoken up as to what he wants to do.

Cruz appears to be straddling the fence in typical political fashion.

Come on Cruz... clearly state, where do you stand on ILLEGAL amnesty?

3 posted on 12/01/2015 12:04:31 AM PST by VideoDoctor
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AMNESTY. Cruz still playing games with this question when it is obvious he will give amnesty. He won’t say it because he knows he’d get pillared.


6 posted on 12/01/2015 12:25:09 AM PST by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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We only assume it’s 11 million. Logic says it’s likely many more. I think it’s at least 5 million in California alone.


7 posted on 12/01/2015 12:27:03 AM PST by JustaCowgirl (When its all about Obama, the rest of us generally get a boot to the head --Investors Business Daily)
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Ted, come out and say it one way or the other.


9 posted on 12/01/2015 12:43:54 AM PST by Eagles6 ( Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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Just today I read where he said Trump was going to fail...The sCruz are coming loose now. Guess what Ted? You’re fired!


10 posted on 12/01/2015 12:48:33 AM PST by lewislynn ( Ted Cruz will never be elected President)
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To the headline I can only say, “Really? Which 11 million would that be? The first 11 million? The second 11 million? The third 11 million? The fourth...


12 posted on 12/01/2015 12:56:32 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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Even Trump has a plan that lets current illegals become citizens.

No candidate does not have some path to citizenship for illegals.


13 posted on 12/01/2015 1:05:34 AM PST by ifinnegan
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If Cruz does this, he’s off my list. He purports to uphold the Constitution, and now proposes violating the Rule of Law by granting amnesty to ILLEGAL aliens?


17 posted on 12/01/2015 1:13:55 AM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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unless there’s a video tape of Cruz saying this I call it bs. The media lies about Conservatives. That is all.


18 posted on 12/01/2015 1:17:54 AM PST by RginTN
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"......"I am the only one on that debate stage who has never supported amnesty, and indeed who led the fight against the Gang of Eight massive amnesty plan that President Obama and Chuck Schumer and establishment Republicans pushed," [Cruz] added."

Trump has spent years courting Hillary and other Dems "I mean, I've contributed to Schumer, I contribute - I've known Schumer for many, many years. And I have a good relationship with him. The fact is, that I think it is time maybe that we all do get along," he told Hannity..."

19 posted on 12/01/2015 1:19:32 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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...saying he wouldn't elaborate on his plans for them until after the border is secure.

Spoken like a true politician.

28 posted on 12/01/2015 2:34:51 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
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How about “I’ll enforce current law and deport them”, Ted?


38 posted on 12/01/2015 3:10:21 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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Cruz has always been for legal status with no pathway to citizenship. However Cruz know that the courts not to mention the Democrats will never allow tens of millions of permeate residents of the USA to be condemned to second class status. Not going to happen. If allowed to stay in the USA they will be given citizenship at some point. What Cruz is selling is a bait and switch.

The only acceptable solution is Trumps', enforce existing immigration law. Build the wall.

47 posted on 12/01/2015 3:49:16 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied, Otto Von Bismarck)
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Cruz is on the Cheap Labor Express. No doubt.


57 posted on 12/01/2015 4:12:57 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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He has been saying the same thing all along,Secure the border before any discussion on the illegals already here,we all agree the border must be secured, nobody agrees on what to do about the ones here already for decades,so accomplish what we can agree on then move on to the rest,makes sense to me


60 posted on 12/01/2015 4:19:34 AM PST by ballplayer (hvexx NKK c bmytit II iyijjhihhiyyiyiyi it iyiiy II i hi jiihi ty yhiiyihiijhijjyjiyjiiijyuiiijihyii)
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Hatchet job.


61 posted on 12/01/2015 4:21:33 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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And this is why Cruz is probably not going to zoom past Trump any time soon.


62 posted on 12/01/2015 4:24:56 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (Ben Carson - the safe space candidate)
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Like OBamaTRADE, Cruz will play it both ways
for Goldmann Sachs and his wife.


63 posted on 12/01/2015 4:28:33 AM PST by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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As I see it, sadly, whether we like it or not, there will be millions of now-illegal people legalized by the next president. The alternative is to simply permanently deport those people...which would bring our economy to a halt - which is why not even Trump goes that far.

The question is how will this legalization be done. Here’s how I see it:

Trump: They will go home, and then come back under our terms, which, in the best case, could be as guest workers for pre-defined amounts of time, with their families staying home. After they conclude their work, they go home and join their families (and a lot richer). Family visits would be allowed in both directions, but tightly controlled when the family comes to the US. Overstay a visa, job gone and deportation.

Cruz: Technically Cruz could follow Trump’s path, but he’s keeping his options open, with one of those options simply being that they stay (with their families) and get legalized. Of course the problem with that is that in 20 years, we’ll be flooded with millions of new Democrats. Another option is that the breadwinner stays, becomes a guest workers, but the rest of the family has to go home. I don’t see that happening.

Rubio (when he’s not lying) and the rest: Virtually all of them become citizens with 15 years, the only differences being how long until they are citizens and how many more do we invite in (or let slip in).

Trump wins in my book and Cruz is better than the rest.


69 posted on 12/01/2015 5:03:34 AM PST by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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