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Now the truth emerges: how the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq
Guardian ^ | June 3 2015 | Seumas Milne

Posted on 11/21/2015 9:31:21 PM PST by WilliamIII

The war on terror, that campaign without end launched 14 years ago by George Bush, is tying itself up in ever more grotesque contortions. On Monday the trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting.

The prosecution abandoned the case, apparently to avoid embarrassing the intelligence services. The defence argued that going ahead with the trial would have been an “affront to justice” when there was plenty of evidence the British state was itself providing “extensive support” to the armed Syrian opposition.

Terrorism has come about in assimilationist France and also in multicultural Britain. Why is that?

That didn’t only include the “non-lethal assistance” boasted of by the government (including body armour and military vehicles), but training, logistical support and the secret supply of “arms on a massive scale”. Reports were cited that MI6 had cooperated with the CIA on a “rat line” of arms transfers from Libyan stockpiles to the Syrian rebels in 2012 after the fall of the Gaddafi regime.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: 2012; arabspring; blamebush; bushhasser; ibtz; isis; libya; nowtheliereemerges; ntsa; obamadoctrine; seumasmilne; stfu; syria; thebiglie
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To: SpaceBar

Is “fuelled” a word? Somebody should have been hooked on phonics.


21 posted on 11/21/2015 10:48:50 PM PST by healy61
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To: WilliamIII

“It was recalibrated during the occupation of Iraq, when US forces led by General Petraeus sponsored an El Salvador-style dirty war of sectarian death squads to weaken the Iraqi resistance”

Who do you think the author is referring to as the Iraqi resistance. He is referring to Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), and the Surge in the author’s opinion was a Latin American style death squad campaign against AQI. An AQI renamed itself ISIS, they are one in the same.

” I can’t get over how so many freepers think they have a duty to defend George Bush, the most liberal Republican president in a century. If Bush is so great, why aren’t you for his brother this year, so Jeb can continue the Bush greatness in the White House?”

Grow up. Those are the sentiments of a child. If you knew any history you would know that in the Conservative Republican rankings W would rank Third behind Reagan and Coolidge. But you would have to be someone who doesn’t need Cliff Notes to read a Bill O’Reilly book to know that.


22 posted on 11/21/2015 10:49:54 PM PST by gusty
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To: SunkenCiv

ISIS is the remnants of Saddam’s old Army made up of Sunni fighters. They were blood thirsty under Saddam and they are Blood thirsty now!!! When we left Iraq they started fighting again with no opposition!!!


23 posted on 11/21/2015 10:49:56 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: tallyhoe

ISIS is the remnants of Saddam’s old Army made up of Sunni fighters.

Right, we fired all of the Sunni’s when we took over in Iraq. That was real smart - to send a bunch of soldiers and government workers into unemployment. That’s not gonna breed discontent, nah, no way.


24 posted on 11/21/2015 10:51:43 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: gusty

in the Conservative Republican rankings W would rank Third behind Reagan and Coolidge

Bush left us with the biggest deficits in history. He left us with the worst economic recession since Herbert Hoover left office. He expanded Medicare massively - a staggering increase in unaffordable entitlements. And he teamed up with Teddy Kennedy for a bigger federal takeover of our schools, called “No Child Left Behind.” And abroad, he spent more than $1 trillion to oust Iran’s enemy (Saddam) and turn Iraq over to a Shiite government that is Iran’s biggest ally.

George Bush was a disastrous president - and his failure elected Obama. If you like him, you’re part of the problem. But the vast majority of Americans recognize him as a terrible president. That’s why the GOP never has Bush at its conventions. Unlike Reagan - if Reagan was alive, they’d have him at all the GOP Conventions. Bush, they hid e away. And voters are voting against George Bush, vicariously, by giving Jeb such tiny poll numbers.


25 posted on 11/21/2015 10:56:54 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII
It starts out by mentioning Bush - because Bush�€™s invasion of Iraq is what started this whole US policy of destabilizing the Middle East and allowing the jihadis to run wild. And that, Jack, is a fact.

No. If we had a good POTUS after Bush, we'd still have soldiers in Iraq killing Jihadists. Instead Obama came in and lost the peace. It is Obama who has nurtured ISIS to the the terror group that it is. Bush did not go into Libya. Bush did not destabilize Egypt.

I am not supporting Jeb because how he answered Megyn Kelly's question about Iraq. Jeb’s response should have been, “Electing Obama for POTUS was the biggest mistake the American electorate ever made. AND THAT IS A FACT, JACK.

26 posted on 11/21/2015 11:00:02 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: WilliamIII
Obama is the enemy of America, NOT BUSH.

http://www.truthandaction.org/50-intel-analysts-obama-changes-reports-threatens-speak/

27 posted on 11/21/2015 11:02:33 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: WilliamIII

And like the real true blue Conservative you pretend to be you post extreme Leftist opinion pieces from a newspaper that would make Pravda seem like the Wall Street Journal to back up your position. Funny that. But I suspect that you have no idea what kind of newspaper the Guardian is.


28 posted on 11/21/2015 11:08:05 PM PST by gusty
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To: Chgogal

At the end of the day they are both globalists and submissive to the Saudis.


29 posted on 11/21/2015 11:08:56 PM PST by Psalm 144 (The mill grinds exceedingly fine.)
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To: Jim Robinson

“killing terrorists as fast as they could be recruited and sent in.”

This was the reality.

Between 2003 and December of 2008, roughly 34,000 xelxQaedaz were killed in xiraqx alone. Their mission was to kill us.

Ultimately however, our purpose for being in xiraqx was strategic. It was to get between xiranx and everyone due west of the xPersianx Gulf, and to temporarily impact Moscow’s reestablishment of geopolitical power throughout the region.


30 posted on 11/21/2015 11:10:35 PM PST by patriotfury (May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tent!)
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To: Chgogal

If you’re so pro-Bush, do I assume you’re supporting Jeb for president?

And do you think W’s support for amnesty was pro-American?


31 posted on 11/21/2015 11:11:18 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

I will nominate Nixon as the most liberal of Republican Presidents in the last century. That alphabet soap of federal agencies, Nixon’s doing.


32 posted on 11/21/2015 11:11:45 PM PST by gusty
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To: Chgogal

Obama came in and lost the peace.

Wait a second, you’re contradicting yourself. If we needed to have American troops in Iraq in order to stop the jihadis from wreaking havoc, then there was no “peace”.

We could have - and should have - left Saddam in place to keep the jihadis in their box. But George Bush was too stupid to do that.


33 posted on 11/21/2015 11:13:53 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

Hey, stop with the middle school responses. Can you come up with something a little more sophisticated than that. How about something that is even half logical.


34 posted on 11/21/2015 11:14:24 PM PST by gusty
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To: gusty

I will nominate Nixon as the most liberal of Republican Presidents in the last century

Between Nixon and W, it’s probably a close call. They both expanded the government massively. By Bush’s time, however, our deficits were much larger - so every extra dollar Bush spent, on new programs and on “liberating” Iraq, was either printed by the fed out of thin air, or borrowed from China.


35 posted on 11/21/2015 11:15:40 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

I nominate you to be the first leader of the Republicans for Saddam fan club.


36 posted on 11/21/2015 11:16:10 PM PST by gusty
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To: gusty

I’ll put you down as a Jeb Bush supporter. We can agree to disagree, I guess. I never could understand a Bushbot.


37 posted on 11/21/2015 11:17:03 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: gusty

I nominate you to be the first leader of the Republicans for Saddam fan club.

Me and Trump. He also says we should have left Saddam in power.


38 posted on 11/21/2015 11:17:46 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

The Guardian is unashamedly left wing.


39 posted on 11/21/2015 11:22:30 PM PST by BeadCounter (,)
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To: WilliamIII
No, William. One of the myriad of reasons of going into Iraq was the fly paper strategy (Gen. Sanchez). Go on the offensive to keep the Jihadists on their territory and fight them there. Now under Obama the terrorists are on the offensive and fighting us on our territory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flypaper_theory_(strategy)

http://www.bigpicweblog.com/exp/index.php/weblog/comments/flypaper_strategy_appears_to_be_succeeding_in_iraq

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/980032/posts

This is what should scare the hell out of you.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/3/inside-the-ring-muslim-brotherhood-has-obamas-secr/?page=all

http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/02/4-star-admiral-blasts-obama-administration-muslim-brotherhood-infiltration/

http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/general-muslim-brotherhood-inside-obama-administration/

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=844

40 posted on 11/21/2015 11:46:01 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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