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Now the truth emerges: how the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq
Guardian ^ | June 3 2015 | Seumas Milne

Posted on 11/21/2015 9:31:21 PM PST by WilliamIII

The war on terror, that campaign without end launched 14 years ago by George Bush, is tying itself up in ever more grotesque contortions. On Monday the trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting.

The prosecution abandoned the case, apparently to avoid embarrassing the intelligence services. The defence argued that going ahead with the trial would have been an “affront to justice” when there was plenty of evidence the British state was itself providing “extensive support” to the armed Syrian opposition.

Terrorism has come about in assimilationist France and also in multicultural Britain. Why is that?

That didn’t only include the “non-lethal assistance” boasted of by the government (including body armour and military vehicles), but training, logistical support and the secret supply of “arms on a massive scale”. Reports were cited that MI6 had cooperated with the CIA on a “rat line” of arms transfers from Libyan stockpiles to the Syrian rebels in 2012 after the fall of the Gaddafi regime.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: 2012; arabspring; blamebush; bushhasser; ibtz; isis; libya; nowtheliereemerges; ntsa; obamadoctrine; seumasmilne; stfu; syria; thebiglie
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1 posted on 11/21/2015 9:31:21 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

We’ve already known much of this for a long time.

Obama is the John The Baptist of Islam, paving the way for the Caliphate.

We knew the Arab Spring was Obama ridding the Arab/Muslim world of secular dictators in order to replace them with Islamists.

Iran gets nukes. ISIS gets it’s foot soldiers inside Europe and the USA.

KABOOM!

Chaos, slaughter and warfare.

The Mahdi can then come.

So sayeth their hadiths and prophecies.


2 posted on 11/21/2015 9:49:58 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: WilliamIII

In typical liberal asshat fashion, the only western leader mentioned in the article is George Bush, even though it mainly covers events after he left office. Obama, Clinton, Cameron, never mentioned


3 posted on 11/21/2015 9:50:53 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: WilliamIII

Actually, the war could have been won under Bush. They had a meat grinder operation going and were killing terrorists as fast as they could be recruited and sent in. We should have never shut that down.


4 posted on 11/21/2015 9:50:59 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: WilliamIII

Obama’s wars in Libya and Syria and Egypt are Bush’s fault. Coo Coo, Coo Coo...


5 posted on 11/21/2015 9:54:54 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The goal of Socialism is Communism. Marx and Lenin were in agreement on this.)
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To: MrShoop

Yep, that’s right. Doesn’t mention John McCain or Lindsey Graham either. They were chin deep in all of it.


6 posted on 11/21/2015 9:57:25 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I support President Pre-elect Donald J. Trump. Karl Rove, the GOPe, and Leftist's worst nightmare.)
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7 posted on 11/21/2015 9:59:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: MrShoop

We’ll...looks like the UniParty to me...New World Order gang. Enough blame for all these SOB’s. Still going on now, why GOPe is no different than the Demorats.


8 posted on 11/21/2015 10:08:02 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I agree John McCain or Lindsey Graham were (are) total morons on Syria strategy, but they never were in a position to implement anything, just to bloviate. The policies implemented were all Obama/Clinton.


9 posted on 11/21/2015 10:08:38 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: MrShoop

They lobbied very hard for the Obama policy he implemented.

One could easily say it wouldn’t have been implemented without them.

I say this, because John and Lindsey provided cover for him. He could point to them and say it was an effort supported by both parties.

I understand your point, and technically you’re right. In the real world, they’re as guilty as he is > IMO.


10 posted on 11/21/2015 10:12:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I support President Pre-elect Donald J. Trump. Karl Rove, the GOPe, and Leftist's worst nightmare.)
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To: WilliamIII

fuelled = caused


11 posted on 11/21/2015 10:19:39 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: MrShoop
In typical liberal asshat fashion, the only western leader mentioned in the article is George Bush, even though it mainly covers events after he left office. Obama, Clinton, Cameron, never mentioned.

Funny how that always works, isn't it.

12 posted on 11/21/2015 10:19:48 PM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie)
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>> tying itself up in ever more grotesque contortions

GFY, Milne.


13 posted on 11/21/2015 10:20:09 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: XenaLee; MrShoop

They’re all to blame, Democrat and Republican-e leaders. The writer, ironically, names only George Bush - while talking about the Libya invasion and arms running to Syria, all of which happened under Obama. But the Iraq invastion and Libya invasion were two peas in a pod — both were part of the idea that the US needed to “liberate” the middle east from dictators who just happened to be keeping a lid on all the crazy jihadis. Bush started the policy; Obama continued it. And now, they’re trying to do the same thing in Syria by ousting Assad.


14 posted on 11/21/2015 10:25:33 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: DoughtyOne
They lobbied very hard for the Obama policy he implemented.

True enough, but ultimately Obama was the decision maker, and for the article to only name Bush who really had nothing to do with it bugs me.

15 posted on 11/21/2015 10:31:59 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: MrShoop

only name Bush who really had nothing to do with it bugs me.

Why do so many freepers feel the overwhelming need to stand up for George Bush? If he’s so great, want aren’t you supporting his brother for president now?


16 posted on 11/21/2015 10:35:46 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

The author of this piece of garbage is an absolute jagoff. He does a good impression of George Galloway thou. This jerk presents ISIS/AQI as freedom fighters in the global war against George W Bush. Anyone who takes anything from this article should be ashamed of themselves. I would put that person in the same category as Bowe Bergdahl. Though I will cut some people slack because a lot of people around here have shown themselves too stupid to even understand what the writer is driving at.


17 posted on 11/21/2015 10:36:04 PM PST by gusty
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To: WilliamIII

So tell me again why terrorists such as Jihadi John inside Syria speak with British accents...


18 posted on 11/21/2015 10:38:03 PM PST by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: gusty

“This jerk presents ISIS/AQI as freedom fighters in the global war against George W Bush.”

You need reading glasses. The article says ISIS is a terrorist organization - that has been backed by US support, including US-facilitated arms shipments from Libya. The article OUGHT to call out Obama by name, but it focuses on 2012 — when Obama was in office, so same difference.

It starts out by mentioning Bush - because Bush’s invasion of Iraq is what started this whole US policy of destabilizing the Middle East and allowing the jihadis to run wild. And that, Jack, is a fact. I can’t get over how so many freepers think they have a duty to defend George Bush, the most liberal Republican president in a century. If Bush is so great, why aren’t you for his brother this year, so Jeb can continue the Bush greatness in the White House?


19 posted on 11/21/2015 10:41:44 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: Southack

So tell me again why terrorists such as Jihadi John inside Syria speak with British accents...

What’s your point? Whatever accent they speak with, the US is supporting jihadis in Syria.


20 posted on 11/21/2015 10:43:52 PM PST by WilliamIII
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