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Trump's Muslim-Registry Blunder
National Review ^ | November 21, 2015 | Andrew C. McCarthy

Posted on 11/21/2015 7:05:26 PM PST by Kaslin

A national-security investigation may "not [be] conducted solely upon the basis of activities protected by the first amendment to the Constitution." That clause, and others similar to it, are found throughout the Patriot Act and other provisions of federal law. They protect Americans from being subjected to surveillance based on nothing except their religious beliefs.

There's an obvious reason for that at least, I thought it was obvious until Donald Trump reportedly embraced the idea of forcing Muslims to register in a database. I say "reportedly" because it is not clear to me, after hearing a recording of Trump's hectic gaggle with reporters, that he intentionally articulated such a proposal. More likely, he thoughtlessly agreed that it should be considered upon being asked some loaded questions which is better, but not much.

The reason our law forbids investigations based on religion alone is also spelled out in the Patriot Act. As Section 102 explained: "The concept of individual responsibility for wrongdoing is sacrosanct in American society, and applies equally to all religious, racial, and ethnic groups."

Guilt is personal and based on behavior. The idea of collective guilt based on religious affiliation violates our constitutional principles. It is offensive even to people like me, who believe Islam is better analyzed as a political ideology with some religious tenets than as, strictly speaking, a religion. After all, millions of Muslims believe in the religious tenets but do not want sharia imposed on civic life. For them, Islam is a religion, not a religious veneer on subversion.

Surveillance and other forms of investigation in our society have to be triggered by conduct, not religious, racial, or ethnic classifications. But from this correct premise, the commentariat goes wrong by contending that because these status classifications may not trigger investigation, they are irrelevant to investigations in all instances

To the contrary, they may be highly relevant. Most Muslims are not jihadists, but all jihadists are Muslims and draw motivation from a literalist construction of Islamic scripture. You can't defend against what our enemies might do without studying what they believe.

Let's take Islam out of the equation for a moment. A great deal of crime, especially conspiracy crime, has ethnic components. To be a member of the Mafia, a person has to be an Italian male. That does not mean all Italian men are organized-crime suspects; but it does mean that if a prosecutor accused a bunch of guys named McCarthy of being members of the Bonanno Family, the case would be laughed out of court.

When I was a prosecutor, moreover, it was a commonplace for the government to plead in search-warrant applications that suspected cocaine traffickers were Colombian nationals or had taken trips between Colombia and the United States. Such circumstances would not be sufficient in a vacuum; but placed in conjunction with suspicious conduct, courts would rely on the Colombian ties in granting the warrants and upholding them on appeal. Not every Colombian was a suspect, but neither did the law require that we blind ourselves to the fact that Colombia was Cocaine Central.

Here is the point: It is against our law for a person to be targeted for investigative attention solely because of the person's race, ethnicity, or religious affiliation. But if the person's conduct is suggestive of criminal activity, terrorism, or espionage, that is a valid basis for triggering an investigation. Once there is a valid basis for investigation, it is relevant it is common sense to account for religious affiliation to the extent it may shed light on the suspect's actions and state of mind.

A Muslim registry is constitutionally offensive because it would subject a person to investigative attention based on nothing other than religious affiliation. But let's put the law aside: The notion of a Muslim registry is also stupid.

A Muslim registry is constitutionally offensive because it would subject a person to investigative attention based on nothing other than religious affiliation.

When I used to prosecute terrorists, it was a source of sardonic amusement to me that all sensitive evidence and other discovery was disclosed to defendants with the admonition that they would be held in contempt of court if they transmitted the information to unauthorized persons. "Imagine that," I'd say to myself. "A guy has willingly risked death, capital punishment, and life imprisonment in order to commit mass murder, yet we think we can stop him from leaking by threatening a contempt citation?"

A Muslim registry would suffer from the same flaw. Few if any terrorists would sign up, assuming for argument's sake that it could be enforced and just imagine what would happen the first time the Justice Department indicted a Muslim for failing to register.

Newsflash: Jihadists lie whenever lying facilitates the execution of their missions. And they have no compunction about concealing their religion, ideology, or similar personal characteristics. Al-Qaeda, for example, has long sought American, Canadian, and European members because they can freely enter those places. These jihadists may have, say, American or British citizenship and passports, but they are not, in their own minds, Yanks or Brits. They are militant subjects of the ummah who are using a cover to infiltrate and terrorize. On this, the jihadists like to quote their prophet: "War is deceit."

Therefore, the only people who would end up registering would be law-abiding Muslims, who would be justifiably angry about being coerced in such a lawless and pointless manner.I opined that the only sensible strategy for preventing terrorist atrocities like the one last week in Paris (Thursday's Mali attack had not happened yet) was to emphasize (a) intelligence collection regarding radical mosques (which are not hard to distinguish from non-radical mosques) and (b) the cultivation of cooperation from the American Muslim community, including informants.

Steve and I noted that this was the very successful NYPD approach after 9/11, but it had recklessly been abandoned by Mayor de Blasio's administration. And, as I've previously explained, the Obama administration's "Countering Violent Extremism" strategy similarly rejects the prudent NYPD surveillance approach pioneered by former commissioner Ray Kelly. Obama prefers to have our law-enforcement officers retrained by the administration's "partners" in Islamic communities including Islamist organizations linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, which insist that Islamist terror has nothing to do with Islam.

Trump came on right after I hung up, and Bannon proceeded almost as if it were a continuation of our conversation. He noted that I had made a case for reviving the NYPD approach and the surveillance of radical mosques. Trump agreed that the NYPD had it right, that the development of informants was key, and that intelligence-gathering at mosques had to be stepped up. In tossing out a barrage of ideas about aggressive surveillance, Trump never came close to suggesting a Muslim registry.

For what it's worth, I don't think Trump came up with the idea of a Muslims-only database. I do think, though, that when he was fed this noxious suggestion, he did not know enough to dismiss it out of hand. (See Byron York's report at the Washington Examiner.) And that is the yuuuge problem with a populist par excellence who knows how to give the people what they want to hear . . . with the details . . . um . . . maybe to follow, maybe not, and maybe at 7 p.m. they are different from the ones offered at 7 a.m. other than that it will be the best registry in the history of history.

Counterterrorism has been undermined by too much "outreach" to all the wrong Muslims. There is no effective counterterrorism, though, without buy-in from all the right Muslims that's how we infiltrate terror cells, gather critical intelligence, and stop attacks.

Donald Trump's blunderbuss tough-on-terror rants are understandably appealing to voters exasperated by a political class that seems more indulgent of Islamist charlatans than concerned about American security. But you can't actually be tough on terror without good intelligence. Alienating the people you need it from is not the way to get it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2016election; andrewcmccarthy; andrewmccarthy; donaldtrump; election2016; elections; infiltrators; islam; kevindwilliamson; mediabias; nationalreview; newyork; trump; trumpwasright
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To: Kaslin

FUAM!


21 posted on 11/21/2015 7:21:17 PM PST by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Kaslin
Wow. 2001 really was a different era. To think that a law passed as recently as 2001 could assert that "the concept of individual responsibility for wrongdoing is sacrosanct in American society."

For the last seven years everything has been based on collective guilt. Non-Muslims are guilty of disrespecting Islam. White Americans are guilty of benefiting from white privilege and are complicit in the oppression of African Americans, as well as being cowards. White policemen are murderers guilty of brutality against people of color. White-run universities are guilty of failing to root out their racist past and obliterate any traces of it.

Individual responsibility...what a quaint concept. Probably invented by some dead white male.

22 posted on 11/21/2015 7:22:23 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Kaslin

Andy needs to go back and listen to the encounter Trump had with the drive-by. It’s obvious he didn’t hear the question. His response addresses issues like border security, visa tracking, etc., not a database of American Muslims, which would be illegal for the reasons Andy expertly outlines.


23 posted on 11/21/2015 7:22:23 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Of course legal immigrants register when they enter the country for the first time. This is how they get a Green card.


24 posted on 11/21/2015 7:22:30 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

A Prezzy no longer has to follow the law.


25 posted on 11/21/2015 7:24:16 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: jpsb

The Uniparty is on a mission, destroy Trump. FUUP, go Trump!
...............................................................Amazing how certain FReepers gravitate to postinbg all these articles which attempt to destroy Donald Trump.


26 posted on 11/21/2015 7:24:20 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Kaslin

“Of course legal immigrants register when they enter the country for the first time. This is how they get a Green card.”

Actually and specifically, we got our green cards NOT in the US but outside before entering. I got mine in Montreal which is retarded when I;m from Vancouver, and we have our own US embassy there.


27 posted on 11/21/2015 7:25:31 PM PST by max americana (fired every liberal in our company at every election cycle..and laughed at their faces (true story))
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To: Kaslin

FUACM


28 posted on 11/21/2015 7:26:31 PM PST by Eddie01
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To: Kaslin

Tag line.


29 posted on 11/21/2015 7:26:36 PM PST by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Trust me legal immigrants are registered and have to register every year, until they become Naturalized citizen.

You really don't know much about immigration do you?

30 posted on 11/21/2015 7:26:49 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

The ONLY PROBLEM for McCarthy is that MOST REPUBLICANS agree with Trump, and Trump is running in the REPUBLICAN Primary.

Score another for Trump...


31 posted on 11/21/2015 7:27:47 PM PST by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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To: Fungi

Did you read the article? The author did write that Trump never said it.


32 posted on 11/21/2015 7:28:40 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
After all, millions of Muslims believe in the religious tenets but do not want sharia imposed on civic life. For them, Islam is a religion, not a religious veneer on subversion.

No.

That's the big lie. Muslims want sharia. Muslims want the Koran. THEY'RE MUSLIMS! They WANT to be Muslims.

If the West actually does die, it will be because of denial, which is cowardice. Comfy Westerners - BILLIONS of them, cannot comprehend people WANTING the savagery of Islam. So, they deny it. They water it down in their minds. They convert it to metaphor. They indulge their fantasies. They seek to appease the savage, animalistic, feral, snarling beast of Islam.

And all Islam sees is food.

33 posted on 11/21/2015 7:29:16 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Kaslin

This shows that even a smart guy like MvCarthy just doesn,t understand what is happening. We want to kick ass and take names and Trump is the guy who will do it for us. Blunder! Please Andy!


34 posted on 11/21/2015 7:31:01 PM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

ExTexasRedhead

Was everyone drunk at that party?


35 posted on 11/21/2015 7:32:16 PM PST by yetidog
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To: Axenolith

At that point, it would no longer be Islam.


36 posted on 11/21/2015 7:35:10 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Kaslin

Great essay on a false event. Andy, we do not want JEB!


37 posted on 11/21/2015 7:38:04 PM PST by Shady (We are at war again......this time for our lives...)
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To: Lurker

Just another self-important navel pondering blatherer from NR using Trump’s name as click bait.


38 posted on 11/21/2015 7:38:54 PM PST by be-baw (still seeking)
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To: max americana

I got mine after our plane landed and we got of the plane at McQuire Airforce Base. My husband, who was born and raised in Upstate New York was transferred to the States. You probably got yours in Montreal, because it is closer than Frankfurt Germany from where our plane left, and you probably did not need a Visa. I did, and I had one which was issued to me from the American Consulate in Munich, Germany. After I turned my visa in, I got my green card


39 posted on 11/21/2015 7:42:41 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

the blunder is to say “ I didn’t say that”


40 posted on 11/21/2015 7:44:22 PM PST by WENDLE (Trump is not bought . He is no puppet.)
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