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Carson edges Trump in national poll
The Hill ^ | 10/27/15 | Jesse Byrnes

Posted on 10/27/2015 4:59:47 AM PDT by jimbo123

Ben Carson has edged out fellow GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump in a new national poll, taking the top spot from the real estate mogul for the first time in months.

Carson is supported by 26 percent of GOP primary voters, followed by Trump at 22 percent, according to the CBS News/New York Times poll released early Tuesday. All other candidates follow in the single digits, with Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) at 8 percent and businesswoman Carly Fiorina and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush at 7 percent each.

The poll represents growing momentum for Carson, who surpassed Trump in several polls in the early voting state of Iowa over the past week ahead of the next GOP debate on Wednesday.

"Ben Carson is now doing well," Trump acknowledged on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" after the poll came out, adding that he believed Carson would see more scrutiny as a front-runner.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carson; crazynegro; elections; gentleben; hammertime; lowenergy; lowenergypoll; polls; trump
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To: sitetest

I understand polling, and a 7% national poll is unprofessional.


121 posted on 10/27/2015 6:20:37 AM PDT by xzins (HAVE YOU DONATED TO THE FREEPATHON? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: agincourt1415
Dick Morris agrees. Hillary would pound Carson into the Ground.

Criticizing on the black guy will all of a sudden become acceptable.


122 posted on 10/27/2015 6:20:58 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: circlecity

Trump and Carson have both made gun grabbing comments in the past and have both retracted them or taken strongly pro gun positions, FWIW.

Trump called for a national ban on “assault rifles” a 3 day waiting period on all gun purchases and blasted the GOP for following the NRA line.


123 posted on 10/27/2015 6:21:32 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (Donald Trump: New York City Liberal)
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To: Jane Long
Crowd sizes don’t lie.

Good point, though I'm sure there some who will claim that Trump is paying all those people to show up.

124 posted on 10/27/2015 6:22:42 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
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To: who knows what evil?

I have been saying that for years. Trust outlets like the NYTimes at your own peril. Look, they could conduct six separate polls, and cherry pick the one that best serves their agenda. Their agenda is getting Hillary elected, and they fear Trump. You are right. This far out, they could say Mary Poppins is leading for the GOP nomination. Are you going to question the great and powerful Times?


125 posted on 10/27/2015 6:23:19 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Above My Pay Grade
If we go by crowds Bernie Sanders may well be POTUS in January 2017.

The Democrat-e functions quite differently than the GOP-e.

The drooling progtards will be TOLD who to vote for.

The GOP-e, on the the other hand, has lost control of the process. :)

126 posted on 10/27/2015 6:23:24 AM PDT by kiryandil (Maya: "Liberalism Is What Smart Looks Like to Stupid People")
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To: LS

I attempted to inject some reality in #114.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3353315/posts?page=114#114


127 posted on 10/27/2015 6:24:55 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: circlecity

If you are willing to accept a large enough rate of error you can get any poll to say anything you want it to say.

In spite of what people think and the media say the error rate of a poll has nothing to do with its accuracy.

It means a similar poll take of the same group of people will produce similar results.

The acceptable standard is 3%; this means that 97 times out of a hundred you will get the same result from the same group of people.

According to some of the “internals” (details about the poll) this poll’s error rate was a little over 6 %.

An interesting, knowm, but unreported factoid.


128 posted on 10/27/2015 6:25:17 AM PDT by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: agincourt1415

Dick Morris agrees

Well, THAT settles it.


129 posted on 10/27/2015 6:26:07 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Hillary: Julius and Ethal Rosenberg were electrocuted for selling classified info.)
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To: Fresh Wind
Good point, though I'm sure there some who will claim that Trump is paying all those people to show up.

This week's hit [besides this "Carson poll" business] is Trump's loan from Daddy.

I guess we're supposed to hate on the Donald because us peasants couldn't get a million-dollar loan from Momsy & the Dadster.

This attack shows that the media and the Establishment [but I repeat myself...] don't understand Trump.

Us peasants KNOW that Trump is rich. We also KNOW that he isn't The Establishment, and that trumps the "class-envy" card in a big way.

130 posted on 10/27/2015 6:28:13 AM PDT by kiryandil (Maya: "Liberalism Is What Smart Looks Like to Stupid People")
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To: Fresh Wind

LOL!! Love those “some who will claim” comments. I’ve heard exactly NO ONE claim that, except YOU!

Trump has spent next to nothing (in comparison), on his campaign. He has no PAC $$ to throw around like 0bola did or ALL of the other candidates do....so, no...I don’t see him handing out $ for folks to attend his rallies.

Do the math....with the size of his crowds, think about how much $ that would be.

Silly premise, sillier comment.


131 posted on 10/27/2015 6:28:32 AM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: jimbo123

Don’t believe it.


132 posted on 10/27/2015 6:29:04 AM PDT by 1217Chic
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To: Hostage; LS

Yeah, your post #114 is a keeper. Thanks for the analysis.


133 posted on 10/27/2015 6:29:40 AM PDT by kiryandil (Maya: "Liberalism Is What Smart Looks Like to Stupid People")
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To: xzins; circlecity; Jim Robinson

Very good points; #114 provides further elaboration.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3353315/posts?page=114#114


134 posted on 10/27/2015 6:31:09 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: xzins

That’s, nice but the evidence suggests movement away from trump and movement toward Carson. And you don’t understand why.


135 posted on 10/27/2015 6:32:20 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Perdogg

Landlines: what are the demographics? Not good and not representative, as even the pollsters admit.

Cell phones: pollsters aren’t supposed to be calling cell phones. In fact, I think the pollsters must obtain consent before calling cell phones for a poll just as telemarketers are banned from cold-calling (even if the telemarketers often ignore the law).

In both cases there is a strong likelihood that robocalling was used. What self-respecting sentient being sits through any robocall? What self-respecting sentient being sits through a robocall poll, especially one that may ask his political affiliation/registration and even more intrusive questions such as occupation, income, zip code, race, religion, etc.?

Yes, the FCC have posted rules for pollsters who robocall but I doubt compliance is voluntary or complete. As a dodge, the robocall/autodialer is still used but calls are handed off to an operator if someone is bored or foolish enough to consent to the poll.

And, of course, there is the veracity of the responses. How do we know the Carson effect isn’t the Wilder effect? How do we know the respondents know a damned thing about either candidate or their positions on the issues?

This is a nation of 350 million persons. Polling 575 individuals especially via antiquated means and declaring it a valid sample is too ludicrous for words, scientific statistical horsestuff reassurances notiwthstanding.

The poll also has a margin of error of 6 points i.e. 23% of Carson’s total and 27% of Trump’s. Ridiculously broad especially when the choice is not a binary one. It also, by definition, means that Trump could well be in front of Carson. Carson’s lead could be even larger as well but the point is that margin cannot be dismissed.


136 posted on 10/27/2015 6:33:19 AM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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To: jimbo123

Bogus. And also where is Cruz in all this? Is he really that far behind?


137 posted on 10/27/2015 6:33:23 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: xzins

Well, you’ve provided all the reasons why this poll has a wide margin of error, but not any reason why it “should” have had Trump on top.


138 posted on 10/27/2015 6:34:26 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to repeal and replace the GOP)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Sanders has had only a few large crowds in New England such as Vermont which doesn’t matter.

There is no comparison of the massive rallies of Donald Trump that are everywhere to the lesser region specific crowds of Sanders.


139 posted on 10/27/2015 6:34:41 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: jimbo123; All

Has something to do with Evangelical Christians and women voters I had heard on my local news radio station.


140 posted on 10/27/2015 6:34:46 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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