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"I Woke Up This Morning After Horrible Economic News, First Question Was How Much Are Stocks Up"
Zero Hedge ^ | 10-16-2015 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 10/16/2015 9:30:26 AM PDT by blam

Tyler Durden
10/15/2015

The economic numbers released yesterday can best be described with a reference to wheels falling off the bus. And it wasn’t just retail sales and PPI in the U.S. but numbers from around the world, including China. So, of course, when I woke up this morning the obvious first question to ask was, how much are equities up? It remains a reality for trading that the biggest news overnight wasn’t the Bank of Korea rate decision nor the continued deterioration of East West relations but an article written by Jon Hilsenrath in the WSJ on the rapidly diminishing likelihood of a Fed hike in 2015.

Fed Funds futures have been consistently ahead of economists and Fed speak in doubting a rate hike. Comments by Richmond Fed’s Lacker yesterday that he doesn’t know if the Fed will raise rates in October didn’t even merit a rolling of the eyes. Futures are pricing in a 4% chance for October rather than zero, just to be polite. Governors Brainard and Tarullo joining the “conditions don’t merit a rate rise at this time” camp sounded positively statesmanlike.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; investing; manipulation; markets; stockmarket; stocks; syria; tylerdurden; tylerdurdenmyass; zerohedge

1 posted on 10/16/2015 9:30:26 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

...meanwhile housing prices in some areas are reinstalling beyond 2006 levels juiced up by cheap interest rates. Buyers don’t care (at the moment) that housing prices have increased 10% per year, they only care about the monthly payment, thus prices have increased as interest rates decrease. If and when interest rates increase, those same inflated house prices will come down. Once again there will be numerous bag holders with a mortgage worth less than the current value of their home.


2 posted on 10/16/2015 9:38:36 AM PDT by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: Flick Lives

True, then again I am considering refinancing from 4 1/2%, it might save me a lot.


3 posted on 10/16/2015 9:49:46 AM PDT by MSF BU (Support the troops: Join Them.)
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To: blam
"an article written by Jon Hilsenrath in the WSJ on the rapidly diminishing likelihood of a Fed hike in 2015."

I was watching a video on youtube from July where Peter Shaff was debating four other "economists" on MSNBC. Shaff was adamant there was no way the Fed would be raising rates 2015 and the other panelists were mercilessly ridiculing him and calling him incompetent for such an assertion. Looks like, once again, he was probably right and everyone else was wrong. This doesn't bode well given Shaff's long term outlook.

4 posted on 10/16/2015 9:53:06 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: MSF BU

True, then again I am considering refinancing from 4 1/2%, it might save me a lot.


Absolutely noting wrong with that. The danger is for those who have maxed out their mortgage payment to get into a house, where an increase in the interest rate may make the value of the house go down. Now if they have to sell, it would be at a loss.


5 posted on 10/16/2015 10:25:46 AM PDT by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: Flick Lives

The Fed is never going to raise interest rates, not in the foreseeable future. If rates go up, it will be externally forced on the markets.


6 posted on 10/16/2015 10:26:35 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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To: circlecity
Peter Shaff

Actually, that is Peter Schiff.....

7 posted on 10/16/2015 10:53:21 AM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: Flick Lives; MSF BU; ChildOfThe60s
They're Baaaaack....

"Own For $0 Money Down!"

"It took nearly a decade, but "owning" a house for zero money down has finally come back."

8 posted on 10/16/2015 10:56:37 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: ExSES
"Actually, that is Peter Schiff...."

Hummm, I did a google search before posting to make sure I spelled it right. After doing it again I see about 3/4 of the links spell it Shaff and the rest Schiff. Since Wiki spells it your way I think you are right but that's weird.

9 posted on 10/16/2015 11:07:33 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: blam

Renting a house from the government is what you’re doing. The Feds have effectively nationalized the mortgage industry.

If I understand it correctly, about 75% of the time, the bank originates the mortgage and then sells it to Fannie/Freddie and receives an ongoing consideration for servicing the loan.

So when you stop paying who are you defaulting to? The bank or the government?


10 posted on 10/16/2015 11:10:18 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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To: blam

DING DING DING DING!!!!!!!! We have a winner!! There IS NO relationship between what happens on Main Street and what happens on Wall Street and there hasn’t been any for a long time. Looking to some Wall Street slug for financial advice is like asking financial advice from the guy who just won the World Series of Poker - “Hey he’s a millionaire isn’t he?”


11 posted on 10/16/2015 1:29:32 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: blam

I thought you were joking. Can’t believe some development is offering a no money down option to buy. Just goes to show we learn nothing from history.


12 posted on 10/16/2015 2:41:00 PM PDT by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: Flick Lives

Mine would be about $230K on a house assessed at $800K+.


13 posted on 10/16/2015 3:15:01 PM PDT by MSF BU (Support the troops: Join Them.)
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To: MSF BU
Mine would be about $230K on a house assessed at $800K+.

Then you're in great shape.

14 posted on 10/16/2015 4:32:13 PM PDT by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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