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Hillary: When I’m president, we’re closing the “gun-show loophole” whether Congress wants to or not
Hot Air.com ^ | October 5, 2015 | ALLAHPUNDIT

Posted on 10/05/2015 2:30:13 PM PDT by Kaslin

If this sounds familiar, it’s because Obama took the same attitude towards executive amnesty. Either Congress could give him what he wanted by legalizing illegals or he’d give himself what he wanted by legalizing illegals unilaterally. The president no longer loses in our system of (giggle) separation of powers, at least if he has a complacent caucus from his own party in Congress that’s willing to defend him on every power grab at their branch’s expense. Hillary’s building on that precedent now, in the middle of a surprisingly tough primary campaign, to stroke one of the few political erogenous zones that excites the left more than open borders does.

Hillary embracing gun control is a bit like Jeb Bush embracing Dubya’s legacy. There’s a lot of potential downside in the general election and comparatively little upside, but in the primary that calculus is reversed. Besides, if Hillary’s destined to be attacked as a gun-grabber in the general no matter what she does, just as Jeb is destined to be attacked as running for 43’s third term, they might as well embrace those images and earn some brownie points from their own side in the process.

The proposal most likely to generate controversy is using executive action to close the so-called gun show loophole, if efforts to pass new measures in Congress do not succeed, according to a campaign aide to Mrs. Clinton, who asked for anonymity to lay out the plans before the candidate does…

A central issue in Mrs. Clinton’s proposals are the background checks on prospective gun buyers, which are required for retailers at stores. But under federal law, they are not required at gun shows or over the Internet with private sellers.

Under Mrs. Clinton’s plan, she would use administrative powers to make anyone selling a substantial number of guns declared “in the business” of firearms dealing, and subject to the same rules as retailers, if Congress does not act, according to the campaign aide.

It was not immediately clear what the bar for being declared “in the business” would be.

When was the last time a degenerate responsible for a mass shooting used the alleged “gun-show loophole” to buy his murder weapon? The nut in Oregon owned 14 guns, every one of which turned out to be traceable to a federal firearms dealer. To the extent that today’s Hillary proposal is designed to capitalize on public horror over yet another massacre on an American campus, it’s an exercise in “gesture liberalism,” a feelgood do-something measure that doesn’t actually address a major problem. In fact, even the way this supposed problem is framed is a lie: As many of you already know, the “gun-show loophole” that supposedly allows anyone to sell an arsenal of weapons to a buyer without a background check is nothing of the sort. Where the sale occurs doesn’t matter, as Sean Davis explains. Whether at a gun show or anywhere else, if you’re selling weapons to the public repetitively and in any kind of volume, you’re a dealer for purposes of the law and are required to perform a check of the buyer. The “loophole” that permits sales without a background check effectively only covers sales between two private individuals who live in the state and only if the seller isn’t selling guns regularly. Think “dad selling his pistol to his son,” not “guy in a booth selling AR-15s to dozens of strangers at a gun show.”

Again, though: As with the “assault weapons” ban, this is less about Democrats trying to solve a glaring problem than about (a) signaling to the left that they’re on the team and (b) moving the Overton window, however marginally, towards greater federal regulation of guns. Which raises a good question from Greg Sargent. If Hillary thinks this is worth doing as president, even if just to polish her liberal cred, how come President Overreach hasn’t done it already himself? As for the broader politics of this, put me down with Drew McCoy as favoring anyone in the upcoming House GOP elections for Speaker and majority leader who has a strategy for restoring Congress as a check on the executive and is willing to speak up in favor of it. That’s the Overton window that desperately needs moving. It won’t be easy.

Hillary Clinton: We Need Universal Background Checks To Curb Gun Violence


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
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To: Bubba_Leroy

I have never heard of any gun shootings at gunshows


41 posted on 10/05/2015 3:06:22 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Yikes, now that is scary


42 posted on 10/05/2015 3:07:22 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: discostu

If you cant sell it, you cant claim you own it.


43 posted on 10/05/2015 3:09:04 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Kaslin

Okay.

There will be a lot of people gifting guns and gifting monetary gifts to each other, then.


44 posted on 10/05/2015 3:10:35 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

The “gun-show loophole” is that gun shows are allowed to exist!


45 posted on 10/05/2015 3:12:07 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

“I am serious though, please somebody tell me what is the ‘gun show loophole’.

It is a scary sounding phrase they spew. It is related to individuals, not dealers, who buy space for a booth at a gun show. Here in GA, there is no NICS check or form required for a private sale between individuals, whether at a gun show or McDonalds parking lot. Buying from a licensed dealer at a gun show requires NICS check and form.


46 posted on 10/05/2015 3:14:15 PM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Kaslin

When are we going to close the Clintons-can-break-any-law-with-immunity loophole?


47 posted on 10/05/2015 3:14:45 PM PDT by all the best
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To: Kaslin
When I'm President.

That seems to be a very big "if" right now.

48 posted on 10/05/2015 3:17:04 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Kaslin

ah....but she’s unaware of the baseball bat loophole....


49 posted on 10/05/2015 3:17:45 PM PDT by G Larry (Vote Hillary! Pro-Abortion Socialist)
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To: Kaslin

When you “are President” you can do anything you want, everyone will love you, all will be right, especially after the orderly administers your meds.


50 posted on 10/05/2015 3:19:05 PM PDT by Lee Enfield (I identify as rich, cut me a check.)
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To: Kaslin
“Today we rule Washington DC, tomorrow the world!”

Quotes from some of Hilary's heroes:

“Think of the press as a great keyboard
on which the government can play.”

“That propaganda is good which leads to success, and that is bad which fails to achieve the desired result. It is not propaganda’s task to be intelligent, its task is to lead to success.”

“Devotion, fervor, longing! Those are my pillars. We have to be the bridge to the future.”

“Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy.”

“Progressivism leads to Communism”

“People like me sound like a lot of big cannons.”

“I did not join the resistance movement to kill people, to kill the nation. Look at me now. Am I a savage person? My conscience is clear.”

“’Oderint, dum metuant.’ Let them hate me, so that they will but fear me.”

“Would that the people of Rome had but one neck, I would slit it.”

51 posted on 10/05/2015 3:22:49 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are those committed by illegal aliens)
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To: Kaslin
She is PURE EVIL!

She wants all of us to be sitting duck for thugs, thieves, and her kind of government that killed over 100 million people last century.

Does she even know that she's evil?

52 posted on 10/05/2015 3:24:02 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are those committed by illegal aliens)
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To: Starstruck

“Half of my guns have been bought at gun shows and all have had a background check.”

The term “close the gun show loophole” is just smoke and mirrors to hide what the gun grabbers are really up to. The real goal is to eliminate all undocumentated private individual to individual sales, gifting, inheritances, etc, by forcing as these types of transfers of ownership through FFL holders thereby eventually a federal registery of all private guns would be developed thus making a door to door confiscation, or else, possible.


53 posted on 10/05/2015 3:25:15 PM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
What is the gun show loophole? I am serious. I’ve been hearing this from the democrats for years now and no one has really defined it.....

It's actually a political slogan, a shibboleth, not anything practical or substantial.

Politically, it's Step One on the Socialists' yellow brick road to a total ban on private ownership of any sort of firearm (w/ exceptions for politically-connected people and State creatures).

Socialism's fundamental idea is that the State is the absolute master and owner of everyone who lives within its reach. The subjects must never dissent (and live), they must never own means of resistance. This has been true of every form of socialism going back 100+ years.

That's what the debate is about: superimposing Socialism on the Constitution and the ideas the Founders bequeathed us.

54 posted on 10/05/2015 3:29:12 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Kaslin
No.

You won't.

We won't comply.

55 posted on 10/05/2015 3:29:41 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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To: Kaslin
Sorry Hilary, if you burn the Constitution we have several copies.

And if you burn those we remember what it says:

“The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

The Founding Fathers thought that citizens should have guns to defend themselves:

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!”

~George Mason (Founding Father)

“A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks.”

~Thomas Jefferson

No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands].”

~ Thomas Jefferson

“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.”

~ Thomas Jefferson

56 posted on 10/05/2015 3:31:16 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are those committed by illegal aliens)
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To: exit82

Good article, but the author can relax a bit with the confidence that NEITHER Jeb nor Hillary are electable. Regarding Congress, it actually needs to be a check on BOTH the Executive and the USSC!


57 posted on 10/05/2015 3:34:03 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: discostu

Correct.

So they have to create a registry to make it work.

Then confiscate.

It’s a three part program.


58 posted on 10/05/2015 3:34:06 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: snoringbear
The term “close the gun show loophole” is just smoke and mirrors to hide what the gun grabbers are really up to.

I'm well aware of what of what the gun grabbers are up to. Knowing each person's arsenal is just the next step in confiscation, If they only wanted to know our names in background checks, why do they also need to know the type and serial number of the weapon?

59 posted on 10/05/2015 3:35:31 PM PDT by Starstruck (I'm usually sarcastic. Deal with it.)
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To: Kaslin
"Hillary: When I’m president, we’re closing the “gun-show loophole” whether Congress wants to or not"

Another executive constitution usurper.
60 posted on 10/05/2015 3:36:24 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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