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When the IAF showed the Soviets who was top gun
ISRAEL HAYOM ^ | September 11, 2015 | Aharon Lapidot

Posted on 09/11/2015 6:32:47 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

The first, and so far last, dogfight between Israeli and Russian air forces took place 45 years ago, on July 30, 1970, as the War of Attrition between Israel and Egypt, Jordan and the Palestine Liberation Organization was winding down.

The aerial battle took place southwest of the Suez Canal, over an area the Israeli Air Force had dubbed "Texas" as it was a local "Wild West," a lawless area where the quicker the gunslinger, the bigger the reward.

The Israeli force comprised four Phantom and 12 Mirage fighter jets, flown by pilots who together were credited with shooting down 59 enemy aircraft. The Soviet force included 24 MiG-21 jets, at the time the most advanced of their kind.

The airborne battle was meticulously planned. A trap was set and the Soviets flew right into it, to humiliating results: Five Soviet jets were shot down, and although one Israeli Mirage sustained some damage, all Israeli jets landed safely back in their home base. Operation Rimon 20, as it would later be known, became one of the most successful operations in IAF history.

The operation was prompted by the growing Soviet involvement in Egypt, following then-Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser's demand that Moscow supply him with advanced missiles and fighter jets, so to counter the IAF's Phantoms and Skyhawks, which consistently targeted Egyptian forces along the Suez Canal, dropping hundreds of tons of bombs on them and on targets deeper inside Egypt, seemingly undisturbed.

At the time, Israeli jets were also in the habit of flying over Cairo simply to make its skies crack with the sound of sonic booms, as if to show Nasser who was really in charge.

In two tense meetings in Moscow, the first in the fall of 1969 and the second in January 1970, the Egyptian president threatened that unless his Soviet ally gave him what he needed, he would turn to its nemesis, the United States.

The Soviets complied and Nasser's military received SA-3 surface-to-air missiles, which were far more effective than the SA-2 missiles the Egyptian army had at the time, and three MiG-21MF squadrons, complete with munitions, auxiliary equipment, and ground and air crews. Overall, about 100 Soviet pilots were stationed in Egypt.

The presence of Russian pilots among the ranks of the Egyptian Air Force was a closely guarded secret, discovered by the IDF's newly minted Russian-language wiretap and surveillance unit, which worked closely with Unit 515, its Arabic-language counterpart. The unit picked up a conversation in Russian between two allegedly Egyptian MiG pilots on a routine patrol flight, and the secret was out.

From a tactical standpoint, there was tacit consent between Israel and Egypt that the IAF does not breach Egyptian airspace beyond 30 kilometers (18 miles) over the Suez Canal, an area considered the Soviets' "grazing land." However, the Soviets soon began trying to down Israeli fighter jets.

The proverbial last straw took place on July 25, 1970, when two Soviet pilots attempted to down an IAF Skyhawk and hit its tail. Israel decided to retaliate, despite the risk entailed in poking the Russian bear.

"The decision to take on the Russians was made by the government," Col. (ret.) Aviem Sella, who flew one of the Phantom jets that participated in the operation, recalled. "The order was unequivocal: Don't just strive to engage the Russians -- take them down. I think it was one of the only times the government made a conscious decision to fight a global power."

The trap at the heart of Operation Rimon 20 was carefully scripted: Four Mirage aircraft were to fly into the Gulf of Suez, supposedly on a routine reconnaissance flight. Should the Soviets take the bait and try to intercept them, then more Israeli fighter jets, either hovering nearby or on the ground at the Refidim Airbase, would scramble to intercept the MiGs.

And so it was: Exactly 11 minutes into the Mirages' flight, five Soviet MiGs -- "all shiny and new, as if they just came off the assembly line," Sella recalled -- scrambled to engage. To their surprise, they were met with a formidable IAF formation.

It was the largest dogfight held on the Egyptian front at the time. Within moments, the late Col. Asher Snir, flying one of the Mirages, shot down a Soviet MiG. The pilot ejected at 30,000 feet, and floated slowly toward the ground, effectively remaining airborne during the entire fight, which prompted the Israeli pilots to use his location as a makeshift coordinate in their radio communications.

"We were saying things like '10 kilometers from the parachute,'" Sella said.

The Soviet pilots, who were significantly less experienced than the Israeli pilots they were fighting, soon became flustered and found themselves at a great disadvantage.

Former IAF Commander Maj. Gen. (ret.) Avihu Ben-Nun, whose jet led the squadron of Phantoms that participated in the fight, recalled that "it was obvious they had little experience. It was a little frustrating, because you're used to knowing what's expected from the enemy when it fights you, and all of a sudden they do something different."

According to Sella, the Soviet pilots "just fired missiles everywhere. You could tell they weren't thinking or trying to target anything."

When the dust settled, five Soviet MiGs had been downed. The credit went to Snir, Sella, Ben-Nun, Avraham Shalmon, and Iftach Spector.

Years later, during the Israel-Egypt peace negotiations in the late 1970s, then-Vice President Hosni Mubarak told then-Defense Minister Ezer Weizman that when Egyptian Air Force officials heard about the dogfight they rejoiced over the Soviets' defeat. The Soviet pilots had apparently been very dismissive of their Egyptian peers, and the Egyptian pilots were happy to witness their downfall.

The Soviets, for their part, dispatched Chief Marshal of Aviation Pavel Kutakhov to Egypt the day after the dogfight. In true Soviet fashion, he warned his pilots that should any of them ever breathe a word of the events to another living soul, they would find themselves in a Siberian gulag.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aviation; iaf; idf; iraq; israel; kurdistan; noflyzone; sinai; syria

1 posted on 09/11/2015 6:32:47 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Remember the 1967 Gulf War between Egypt and Israel? Egypt got it’s ass kicked and the rumor is that the hottest industry in Egypt after that war was the production of backup lights for their tanks.


2 posted on 09/11/2015 6:41:02 AM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I had never heard this story before. Thanks for posting it and also thanks for posting all of it.


3 posted on 09/11/2015 6:42:41 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The 1st amendment is the voice and the 2nd is the teeth of freedom. Obama wants to knock out both.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

“Egyptian Air Force officials heard about the dogfight they rejoiced over the Soviets’ defeat. The Soviet pilots had apparently been very dismissive of their Egyptian peers, and the Egyptian pilots were happy to witness their downfall.”

Read something similar occurred during the Spanish Civil. The Italians sent an armored unit to Spain to support Franco and they were an arrogant bunch. They dissed the Spainards. The unit was sent to attack a Republican position and got their arses kicked. The Nationalist forces cheered seeing their fellow Spainards even if they were on the opposite side give the Italians a beating.


4 posted on 09/11/2015 6:44:48 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thanks for posting this - it is an interesting tidbit of history that most of us would never hear about.

I do question whether it was the only instance of Israelis fighting Russians/Soviets. How about the massive air combat in June of 1982, in which the Israelis downed 79 (or 85, depending on sources) Syrian jets without a single loss of their own? The Syrians had the most advanced Russian Migs of the day, and there were undoubtedly Russian pilots - I remember hearing reports that Israeli pilots heard lots of radio chatter in Russian.

FYI, I took a military strategy course from Edward Luttwak (a noted strategist and consultant to the Reagan transition team and the DoD) the following year. He indicated that “big changes were coming” in relations with the Russians. He specifically cited this incident, and reports that the Soviet General Staff told the Politburo that “we can’t beat the West” because of what Israel did, and basically to “cut the best deal that you can.” Shortly thereafter we got Gorbachev and a thawing of relations.


5 posted on 09/11/2015 7:24:17 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thanks for the posting


6 posted on 09/11/2015 7:28:23 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (My best insights get lost in FR's because of meaningless venting no one reads.)
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The Bekka Valley air battle in 1982 cost Syria around 85 or 90 planes and 30 SAM batteries at a cost of 2 F15s, an F4, and a drone. Many people think there may have been Russian pilots flying for Syria, but in any case it was Russian hardware.

7 posted on 09/11/2015 8:02:48 AM PDT by SJackson (Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Mike Tyson)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Don't just strive to engage the [fill in the blank] -- take them down.

Too bad that isn't our motto.

Then again, Trump evidently believes that. :-)

8 posted on 09/11/2015 8:43:16 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate. [URL=http://media.photobucket.com/user/currencyjunkie/me)
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To: Ancesthntr

Yes, the Russians were there, too.

Unless Syrians somehow turned into white Slavic-looking guys with blond hair.


9 posted on 09/11/2015 9:05:26 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Ancesthntr
The Israel-Syria conflict and the Falklands conflict together with the Grenada invasion were extremely important in deciding the outcome of the Cold War. Suddenly the Soviets got to understand that the two main Western Allies, US and UK, were not going to take things on the chin any longer but were able, willing and ready to hit back, and also the western, including the Israeli technology, had surpassed the Soviet one. The SAMs and the MIGs the Israelis downed over Syria and Lebanon (and many operated by Soviet operators) were the mainstay of the Warsaw pact air-defence in Europe.

Fifteen years earlier the Soviets had had advanced plans of amphibious and air attacks on Israel.

Foxbats over Dimona

10 posted on 09/11/2015 9:09:10 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: econjack

I have a co-worker who’s uncle flew MIGs in the Syrian air force. One day he took me too his car and showed me a Makarow 9X18(BTW love the Mak, nice accurate and reliable pistol) that belonged to his uncle. I nearly asked him if his uncle gave it too him before the Israelis shot him down, but held my tongue.


11 posted on 09/11/2015 11:31:26 AM PDT by sarge83
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