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1 posted on 09/05/2015 11:24:08 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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It looks like the beginning of the end has begun.


2 posted on 09/05/2015 11:26:16 AM PDT by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small pittance.)
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What I want to know is when is welfare, food stamps, section 8, stupid grants going to run out of money?


3 posted on 09/05/2015 11:28:55 AM PDT by Guardian Sebastian (Life is a bitch, why elect one?)
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Bookmarked for stats.


4 posted on 09/05/2015 11:29:14 AM PDT by corlorde (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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The ‘RATS came up with a bad idea when they decided to send Social Security checks to anyone on the planet who wanted one. Social Security was meant to help those AMERICANS who worked hard IN AMERICA all of their lives after they retired. They weren’t meant to be sent to foreigners who are looking for “a better life.” To hell with the DemocRATS!!!


6 posted on 09/05/2015 11:29:47 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Cecil the Lion says, Stop the Slaughter of the Baby Humans!!!)
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Where's the money I've been paying in all these years???

Sounds like a revolution may be coming.

8 posted on 09/05/2015 11:31:33 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (With Trump & Cruz, America can't lose!)
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Okay, no problem, just take that total from what Americans are giving to foreign countries and illegals in America. Problem solved with no difference in burden to taxpayers.


11 posted on 09/05/2015 11:36:28 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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But I paid all these years in to SS, even though it was only pennies in the first years!
I deserve my money, all that unearned “interest” and my yearly increases!
Obama said everything would be better, and I voted for him 5 times last election!
Those evil Republicans must have taken all that money from the poor people to give to their rich friends, even though poor people don’t have any money!
Oh my goodness, what will I do now?
Hillary said she will help us all, and fix all the problems and take care of those evil Republicans.
Thank heavens for Hillary!!!
/s


12 posted on 09/05/2015 11:38:48 AM PDT by Macoozie ("Estoy votando por Ted 2016!" bumper stickers available)
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SS bankrupt


13 posted on 09/05/2015 11:39:20 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Stop paying Social Security to people who never paid a single penny into it and the problem will be solved.

The last time I visited the local Social Security office the waiting room was filled with young, healthy looking people who couldn’t speak English, black “Gangsta” types, single mothers, and plenty of screaming, crying kids of all colors.

There were only a very few of us who looked like we were actually old enough to have paid into the system and aged into retirement.


14 posted on 09/05/2015 11:39:25 AM PDT by Iron Munro (CITY: A liberal run holding pen for useless headcount.)
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“If we don’t raise the system’s tax rate to 16.4 percent [from the current 12.4 percent] starting today and leave it at 16.4 percent forever, our kids will face even larger permanent tax hikes when they are ultimately enacted.”

said some egghead professor who probably makes six figures teaching one class per week.

Working people can barely make it now. Another 2% from them and 2% from their employer could spell more financial hardship or even the end of their employment. And stealing another 4% from the self-employed is beyond cruel. I don't know what the answer is, but I know it is not raising taxes!
16 posted on 09/05/2015 11:43:38 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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Then stop pouring American tax payer dollars down third world Muslim/Commie sh*t holes who hate us and FIX it.

Our seniors have paid into SS all their working lives and deserve something back to help take care of them in their old age.

The average American hasn’t a CLUE how much of our tax money Obama has sent down Muslim/Commie sh*t holes while he slashes the military, CUTS MEDICARE and threatens to withhold our senior's social security checks!

BILLIONS FOR JIHAD! Obamas 2009 Supplemental Appropriations for Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Pandemic Flu was revised and passed by the full committee. It gives billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to countries and entities that support Sharia law and/or harbor, hide and support those who want to destroy the U.S. and our allies. http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/05/1...

Read the summary from David Obeys office that was quietly released last week with nary a word from any media.

$3.6 BILLION matching the request, to expand and improve capabilities of the Afghan security forces

$400 MILLION, as requested, to build the counterinsurgency capabilities of the Pakistani security forces

AFGHANISTAN: $1.52 BILLION, $86 MILLION above the request WEST BANK AND GAZA: $665 MILLION in bilateral economic, humanitarian, and security assistance for the West Bank and Gaza

JORDAN: $250 million,$250 million above the request, including $100 million for economic and $150 million for security assistance

EGYPT $310 million above the request, including $50 million for economic assistance,$50 million for border security, and $260 million for security assistance

PAKISTAN,$591 million above the request

IRAQ:$968 MILLION,$336 million above the request

Oversight: $20 million,$13 million above the request, to expand oversight capacity of the State Department, USAID, and the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan to review programs in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq

Lebanon:$74 million

International Food Assistance:$500 MILLION $ 200 million above the request, for PL 480 international food assistance to alleviate suffering during the global economic crisis

REFUGEE ASSISTANCE:$343 MILLION,$50 million above the request, including humanitarian assistance for Gaza.

Funding for the UN Relief and Works Agency programs in the West Bank and Gaza is limited to $119 million (Note: Gaza = Hamas)

Disaster Assistance: $200 MILLION to avert famines and provide life-saving assistance during natural disasters and for internally displaced people around the world, including Somalia, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia, the Middle East and South Asia

Department of Justice: $17 million, matching the request, for counter-terrorism activities and to provide training and assistance for the Iraqi criminal justice system

OBAMA GIVES YOUR TAX DOLLARS TO REBUILD MUSLIM MOSQUES AROUND THE WORLD! http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/... # Obama Invites 80,000 Muslim Immigrants Into the United States – Promises 100,000/Per Year for Next 5 Years

17 posted on 09/05/2015 11:48:14 AM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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Urn money not earn money no telling the fraudulent amount collected by dead and the breathers get away with it? No death certificate, gotts to pay the funeral home and ohhhh it’s so good to have some walking around money too.


18 posted on 09/05/2015 11:49:11 AM PDT by Recompennation
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The math has never worked, and it never will. Especially so, since there are so many fraud cases of disability claims being collected and the number of working Americans is shrinking. Classic Ponzi Scheme..................


22 posted on 09/05/2015 12:08:25 PM PDT by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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A good start would be to stop funding our enemies. That’ll free up a trillion or two right there.

Next we could stop cradle to grave support for the illegals as well. A couple of hundred billion per year in that alone.

Getting some decent paying jobs back in the lower 48 wouldn’t hurt either.

There, no more SS problems.


24 posted on 09/05/2015 12:11:13 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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the first SS recipient paid $25 into the system and took out $25,000 in benefits. what could possibly go wrong?

and bammy’s giving $150,000,000,000 to our pals in iran so someone has to sacrifice.


25 posted on 09/05/2015 12:11:42 PM PDT by utax
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People should be in prison for this.


28 posted on 09/05/2015 12:32:12 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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In graduate school I had a course in public finance from Prof. Eugene Smolensky. When he got to the point in the syllabus on the subject of Social Security he opened the first lecture with “Social Security” followed by a pause, and then “Who in this room did not imagine the face of your grandmother or grandfather when I said that?” The point was well made - there were hard factual arguments to be made, but this was an issue where emotion and sympathetic pleas often won. Democrats always demagogued the issue and used imagery like Paul Ryan pushing the old lady in the wheelchair off the cliff in their advertising. But, facts are stubborn things, and the system as constituted will run out of funds, sooner or later.

In those days (mid 1980’s) the forecast day of reckoning for the system was around 2044. In the 1990’s I would see various forecasts placing it in the 2030’s. Then, during the recession of 2007-2009 you started to see forecasts in the mid 2020’s, and then the early 2020’s. Of late, some have seen it as the late teens. I hit 65 in 2022. Just my luck!

33 posted on 09/05/2015 12:44:08 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken (qaulification)
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Good news is beginning this year my wife is going to add to that deficit. After 62 years of us funding the thing I’m going to be a taker.


35 posted on 09/05/2015 12:46:51 PM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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Thank you for referencing that article Olog-hai. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

As a side note to this discussion about Social Security, please consider the following info from a related thread which provides evidence that Social Security is unconstitutional.

Although I question the motives of FDR era justices, these justices had evidently made the same mistake in interpreting the Constitution’s General Welfare Clause (GWC; 1.8.1) in deciding the constitutionality of Social Security that the 14th Congress had made in trying to use the GWC to justify its federal public works bill.

More specifically, President James Madison, Madison generally regarded as the father of the Constitution, had vetoed Congress’s bill to build roads and canals which Congress had used its “specific power” of the GWC to justify. But as Madison had put it, the problem with Congress using the GWC to justify building roads and canals is that it was not intended to be interpreted as a delegation of specific power to Congress.

”To refer the power in question to the clause "to provide for common defense and general welfare" would be contrary to the established and consistent rules of interpretation, as rendering the special and careful enumeration of powers which follow the clause nugatory and improper. Such a view of the Constitution would have the effect of giving to Congress a general power of legislation instead of the defined and limited one hitherto understood to belong to them, the terms "common defense and general welfare" embracing every object and act within the purview of a legislative trust.” —President James Madison, Veto of federal public works bill, March 3, 1817.

So based on Madison’s words, the GWC is nothing more than an introductory clause for the clauses which follow it in Section 8 which do enumerate specific powers.

Also note that both the FDR era 74th Congress that passed the bill that established Social Security without the required constitutional justification, and the 111th Congress which likewise passed Obamacare without the necessary constitutional justification, had also wrongly ignored the Constitution’s Article V requirement to successfully propose appropriate amendments to Constitution to the states before establishing such spending programs. If the states had chosen to ratify such amendments then Congress would have the constitutional authority that it needs to establish these programs.

Finally, consider that the question of the constitutionality of the bills that established Social Security and Obamacare should never have made it all the way to the Supreme Court. The reason is that they were ultimately tested by the Supremes is because the post-17th Amendment ratification Senate didn’t do its job to protect the states as the Founding States had intended for it to do.

More specifically, the corrupt Senate failed to kill these vote-winning but unconstitutional appropriations bills since they not only steal unique, 10th Amendment-protected state powers to establish such programs, but they also steal state revenues associated with such powers.

“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

The ill-conceived 17th Amendment needs to disappear, and corrupt senators and activist justices that the Senate approved along with it.

40 posted on 09/05/2015 1:02:19 PM PDT by Amendment10
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At least get rid of the 11 million disability recipients. Once you do that, then begin the process of fixing the program.

Men and Woman over 67 years old should be the ONLY ones getting the money.

Sorry kids whose parent died. They should not get any money. Why should they? That is what insurance is for that you purchase on your own

Paul Ryan is the Worst person to even discuss Social Security. He’s been on Social Security since he was born due to his father’s death.


41 posted on 09/05/2015 1:30:21 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
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