GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVE GÖDEL’S (Mathematical) PROOF FOR GOD’S EXISTENCE IS CORRECT

Assist News ^ | August 9, 2015 | Brian Nixon

[xzins]

Mathematical purity has also been said to be proof of an ordered universe

[MrB]

“the language of God”

[Fai Mao]

I thought that Anselm was the guy who popularized this argument. Am I wrong?

[xzins]

[xzins]

Perhaps the argument, but not the math

[MrB]

Much easier to read, but even with an engineering degree, I need a bit more explanation of the proof.

[Fai Mao]

I like the Ontological argument It is the only one that unbelievers can’t really handle.

[xzins]

I haven’t seen a posting of the German proof yet. If you see it, post it.

[MrB]

Proof that Germans exist?
I think that’s just accepted.

[jsanders2001]

> Mathematical purity has also been said to be proof of an ordered universe

I believe in God but from a devil’s advocate point of view couldn’t the definition of “order” be a man-made construct based on his observations of symmetry thus the “proof “ of an “ordered” universe would be based on a false premise?

[jsanders2001]

^ meant to add “and patterns”

[windcliff]

ping

[CaptainK]

You can download the pdf in the right upper corner

http://arxiv.org/abs/1308.4526

[CaptainK]

see my post #14.

[Arthur McGowan]

The ontological argument is invalid, and will always be invalid.

As St. Thomas said: The existence of God is self-evident to God, BUT NOT TO US.

I think it’s remarkable that St. Anselm is famous primarily for an invalid argument for the existence of God, and the monstrous “satisfaction theory.” But I hear he was good to his mother.

[grania]

Mathematical purity has also been said to be proof of an ordered universe.

Math Induction gets you to a greater being whose full extent is unknowable to us.

[Jan_Sobieski]

Wow, this is interesting. Psalms 2 supports this and the following...

1. the heathen rage (muslims, tribal, nutty liberals, etc.)
2. people imagine a vain thing (normal people)
3. kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder , and cast away their cords from us.

This shows that the leaders and elite of the earth KNOW that the Biblical God IS GOD. But they want to cut the chords.

[riverdawg]

For more information on Gödel I recommend three works that are both enjoyable and fairly approachable: ... and Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Ethernal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter.

I tried to read Hofstader’s book in the early 1980s. It's pretty deep, and I admit I didn't finish it. Reminds me of Hawking's A Brief History of Time in that many people bought it, some people talked about it, but (I suspect) very few people read it all the way through to the end.

[McBuff]

. . .but from a devil’s advocate point of view couldn’t the definition of “order” be a man-made construct based on his observations of symmetry thus the “proof “ of an “ordered” universe would be based on a false premise?