[Arthur McGowan]

The ontological argument is invalid, and will always be invalid.

As St. Thomas said: The existence of God is self-evident to God, BUT NOT TO US.

I think it’s remarkable that St. Anselm is famous primarily for an invalid argument for the existence of God, and the monstrous “satisfaction theory.” But I hear he was good to his mother.

[kosciusko51]

And how does St. Thomas' argument compare to what is written in Romans 1:18-23?

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing to be wise, they became fools,and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

[wagglebee]

As St. Thomas said: The existence of God is self-evident to God, BUT NOT TO US.

Very true.

Saint Paul wisely wrote, "We see now through a glass in a dark manner; but then face to face. Now I know in part; but then I shall know even as I am known."

We believe as a matter of faith that God is infinite, yet we are intellectually incapable of fully understanding infinity. God created the Universe from nothing, yet our grasp of nothing is no better than our grasp of infinity.

When our Lord appeared on the road to Emmaus and was unknown to the Disciples, He went through Scriptures with them explaining all of the things that pointed to Him. These passages had been known to the Jews and studied for centuries, but it took Christ allowing others to see them for what they really were.

Does "proof" of God exist? Yes, I am certain it does. But I am also sure that our eyes have not yet been opened to see that proof.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Just to reveal to the world and all, how ignorant I am: I've been puzzling about "how atonement happens" since I was a teenager --- say, for 50 years --- and I never realized there were nigh unto a dozen formal, distinct, highly elaborated "theories" about it until just now.

But I daresay I'm neither more nor less puzzled now, than the authors of those theories.

Can't prove it, of course. Just a hunch.