Posted on 08/09/2015 7:15:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
And let me remind everyone of you FReepers that Ross Perot used the same phrase constantly during his successful effort to put Bill Clinton in the White House that he shamed and disgraced!!!
TPP has not been put up for a vote. And Cruz voted against TPA? Seriously, where have you been?
You say “It was a win/win for everyone”. Except for the lady that lost her property. It was her property. She should have the right to sell it or not sell it. If you disregard a fundamental right because your candidate has abused it you show a lack of principles. Fundamental principles are timeless. They can’t be explained away.
” If a fair, hand counted, paper ballot using valid passport information were held tomorrow, excluding illegal aliens and other voter fraud, Donald Trump would win in a landslide. You are, in a nutshell, delusional. “
You my friend , are exactly right . BTW - Japan still uses paper ballots , and it is impossible to vore more than once . Illegal aliens ? NO F-in way !
Sorry, misplaced question mark—Cruz voted against TPA. Do you follow politics very much?
Even liberals like Alan Colmes saw that Kelo was a bad decision. How could Trump support it?
Then again, he supports single payer.
TPP has not been put up for a vote. And Cruz voted against TPA? Seriously, where have you been?
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Cruz initially voted in favor of TPA.
Trump’s position on ED was as a private citizen...get it?
Sorry, but when you ignore something that a sitting Senator was about to do, while screaming bloody murder over a position that a private citizen held four years ago; well, you’re just full of sh*t.
His initial vote was for it. Do you follow politics very much a$$hole?
“Initial vote?” What the heck is that, genius?
Someone else has already answered you far better than I can:
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
It’s jaw dropping isn’t it?
In Sept. 2016 it will be 4 years since Benghazi. Hillary will be in the clear as it will be old news.
You can’t reason a person out of a position that they didn’t reason themselves into. A great many Americans seem to pick their candidates not by weighing the pros & cons, looking into past statements, voting & legislation history etc. They choose someone emotionally. Someone who says all the right things and can persuade them to trust them. In other words, if you are a great manipulator and know how to get people to believe you, you can sway a large number of people to support you. A smooth talker. Sort of like a used car salesman:)
This becomes almost like a cult to these people. To accept facts would make them have to change their beliefs. It is very hard to get people to do that when they have invested themselves into someone emotionally. They don’t think clearly and they only get mad at you when you point these things out to them. They will never change their minds.
Barack Obama was very good at doing this and still people will defend him to the end and refuse to believe one bad thing about him. They have too much of themselves invested in him.
Yes it was a hit piece.
The Constitution’s Fifth Amendment allows the government to take private property for “public use,” so long as “just compensation” is paid.
The pro-GOPE, low-information author of the referenced article was unsurprisingly not taught the following about the 5th Amendment. The Founding States had originally decided that the states didn’t have to respect the prohibitions and limitations of “government” power in the Bill of Rights.
In other words, unless the Constitution expressly prohibits or limits certain powers to the states, general limitations of “government” power in the Constitution, such as the government being required to compensate for land in eminent domain cases, originally applied only to the federal government, not to the states.
In fact, as evidenced by the state eminent domain case of Barron v. Baltimore (Barron), the state governments could basically seize private property without needing an excuse or providing compensation.
It wasn’t until the 14th Amendment was ratified that the states obligated themselves to at least compensate a former land owner for seizing land like the feds must do. But it remains that the states still don’t need an excuse to take land as evidenced by developers working with local and state officials in cases like Kelo, regardless that local or state governments must now pay for seized property.
So even after all the time since Barron was decided and the 14th Amendment later ratified, pro-GOPE citizens still aren't making a distinction between different limitations on state and federal government powers as enumerated in the Constitution.
The fact that it may very well be a hit piece doesn’t make it any less true. Trump has long supported eminent domain when it profits his interests. The Kelo decision strikes to thw heart of where we stand in our relationship with feral government.
“And yet NO criticism from Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin...hmmm?”
And I hope they don’t. They are playing it smart. The GOPe is playing stupid with Trump and giving him exactly what he wants. They shouldn’t be playing his game and sniping back and forth with him. Banning him from debates is just plain asking for it. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Let the man talk! He is looking for an excuse to run 3rd party and the GOP is giving him one. I personally believe this is the plan that was worked out with Hilary.
Sarah & Cruz have said they like Donald Trump. The more the merrier and all that. But have they said they would vote for him and he would make a good POTUS? Do you think Sarah will endorse Trump?
I think the GOP would be smart to leave Trump alone. Let his words and actions speak for themselves. Voters will eventually get serious about this race and realize that while Trump was entertaining he isn’t presidential material.
If you notice, after the debates Cruz’s percentages went up and he is right behind Donald. Trump has been very valuable as far as getting the issues that are important out in front. Do I believe he really believes what he is saying? No. No one does that much of a 180 in a few short years. He has an agenda. He has no proven record. He is not easy to trust. When people realize they can’t seriously vote for a guy like that these people’s votes will most likely go to the most conservative candidate who is polling right behind him. Just my theory. Take it or leave it.
Talking about what all of the candidates have said or done in the past is very important and crucial to finding out who they really are and what they believe.
I myself am interested in this “hit piece” concept. So di this author, in 2011, anticipate Trump’s run in 2015?
Ha! When I made my initial comment, I hadnt noticed it was a 2011 article. If it was a hit piece, I want the guy’s crystal ball.
Mea culpa, and thank you for bringing that detail to my attention. I had forgotten that Mr. Barron had tried to use the 5th Amendment to force the City of Baltimore to compensate for what I surmise was a loss of revenues to his business as a consequence of water-related damage near his property. (You break it you pay for it.)
"A decade and a half ago, it was fresh on everyone’s mind that Donald Trump is one of the leading users of this form of state-sanctioned thievery."
It remains that Kelo v. New London, along with Trump’s alleged involvement in working with state / local governments to force private land owners to sell their land for development purposes is not protected by the “public use” restriction that the 5th Amendment puts on the federal government.
Note that citizens could work with their local and state government lawmakers to make laws to protect themselves from forced property sales if they understood that the 5th Amendment eminent domain clause doesn’t protect their property from the states to the same extent that it protects them from the feds.
They seriously believe your earnings are rightly government's wealth even before you have earned the money and that's why they make the peculiar argument that "tax cuts cost government."
They also believe that all land is government property and thus can be taken at any time if you are not in their eyes as productive towards their goals because land equates to tax revenue. If your choice of land use brings in less revenue than Trump's use would, then you are "robbing" the government.
Why would you be sending this to me? Have I posted anything on this thread beyond this one here? Surely you’re not going back into my other posts on other threads and trying to bring that here to this thread, are you?
Or are you keeping a [ooga-booga] list of those Freeper Traitors who won’t trash Trump?
I’ve long said Cruz is my first choice. I’ve made that patently clear whenever the subject of who I support comes up and is warranted. At the same time, I’ve had fun in seeing the butt hurt Trump seems to give everyone - some to the point of apoplexy. Virtually our entire media now seems to be either in the pocket of Democrats, or squarely in the pockets of establishment GOP. That means they’re fully behind Jeb Bush. So to the extent that Trump’s run at present gives Team Bush the willies and scares them, all the better.
As a Cruz supporter, I take my cues from him. If he isn’t out there publically worrying about Trump then I’m not gonna worry about it. My job one is to do anything and everything I can to stop Jeb Bush. I fail to see how foregoing the exposure of all Jeb Bush’s faults in lieu of decimating Trump accomplishes that, even with some of the scenarios some people cook up about Trump’s bad impact.
We all now know Trump’s past position (probably still) on Eminent Domain. We get that, and I don’t like it. But he’s not my candidate anyway. The one thing I do thank him for is bringing back the word “illegal” to our national dialogue. I’d hope that we could collectively parlay that and keep that dialogue alive and force Bush out into full open view with his anti-sovereignty views.
Lastly, I see the use of a lot of “imbecile”, “idiot, “troll” and all the other epithets for people who don’t agree with the anti-Trump movement. It accomplishes nothing for that cause. We’ll all be here arguing about Trump, or Walker, or Cruz or even some of the others on how “bad” they are. All the while, Jeb is scurrying under the wires and inside the camp taking the nomination.
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