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Donald Trump and Eminent Domain [Revisiting Trump's support of the Supreme Court's Kelo decision]
National Review ^ | 04/19/2011 | Robert VerBruggen

Posted on 08/09/2015 7:15:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Artcore

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Cruz and Palin have both pledged to refrain from attacks on others in the party.

You’ll hear nothing from them, because it would dull their own messages to do so.

Cruz has a message; the only one that is well thought out; and that is all you will hear from him.
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201 posted on 08/10/2015 8:11:49 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Artcore; SpaceBar

I only call trolls out to be trolls.

You’re in a very special group.
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202 posted on 08/10/2015 8:13:48 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: SuzyQue
Ultimately property rights and personal rights are the same thing.

-Calvin Coolidge.
203 posted on 08/10/2015 8:20:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Sad fact, most people just want a candidate to tell them what they want to hear)
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To: PeterPrinciple

“Liberals” are those who hate those mean conservatives.


204 posted on 08/10/2015 9:13:46 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: TNMOUTH

“It amazes me how many on FR have bought into the Trump mania without thinking about what they are doing. A certain President of ours talked all pretty-like too...

Anyway, it also amazed me how many Trump supporters will NOT dispute or disprove things like this eminent domain issue..but rather, will call it a “it piece” or call the author names.”

I agree. It is disturbing.


205 posted on 08/10/2015 9:15:21 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: cripplecreek

He said it much better than I did.


206 posted on 08/10/2015 9:16:51 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: SeekAndFind

This SCt decision was so onerous to private property that many conservative state legislatures, including Texas I’m proud to say, changed their laws to prevent it from occurring in their state.

I agreed with our Texas legislators. This was BIG GOVERNMENT working with CRONY CAPITALISM. You can’t spin it any other way.

It’s easy to see why Trump would love the decision as it could help his real estate empire if he can get the local government to take away individual’s homes and businesses in order to build one of his huge projects with tax shelters from government.

You Trumpsters will have to rationalize this one if you can.


207 posted on 08/10/2015 9:20:37 AM PDT by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a murderer, and find one.... what's yoIur plan?)
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To: SuzyQue

AMEN!

They NEVER respond to what people say...you know why? Because, to do so, would be to admit they are supporting a DNC hack.

Great post!


208 posted on 08/10/2015 9:29:12 AM PDT by TNMOUTH
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To: TNMOUTH

Most of the pro Trump argument is based on false premise to begin with. Things like “FOX hates Trump and wants to take him out”.

It completely ignores the fact that Donald Trump had a weekly call in segment on FOX and Friends till very recently. FOX hated him so much that they actually set aside a few minutes every week to let him flap his gums.

Its no less likely that Trump is in on the game with FOX to maniulate the race.


209 posted on 08/10/2015 9:40:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Sad fact, most people just want a candidate to tell them what they want to hear)
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To: editor-surveyor

Ok....I’ll take that. Apologies.

[BTW, my “Bear Loads” are Bitterroot Valley 45LC 300 grain Bearloads for my Winchester 1892 Trapper Takedown. Or just my Marlin 1985 GS 45-70 with 300 grain load. :0)]


210 posted on 08/10/2015 10:42:33 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind; All
The Fifth Amendment Public Use Clause authorizes a city [emphasis added] to exercise its eminent domain power only “for public use.”

Noting that the Founding States originally decided that the states didn’t have to respect the rights protected by the Bill of Rights, the Supreme Court clarified in Barron v. Baltimore that prohibitions of government power in the Constitution apply only to the federal government, not to the states, unless such prohibitions specify the states. And here is how the Court accordingly interpreted the scope of the eminent domain clause of the 5th Amendment.

We are of opinion that the provision in the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution declaring that private property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation is intended solely as a limitation on the exercise of power by the Government of the United States, and is not applicable to the legislation of the States [emphasis added].” — Barron v. Baltimore, 1833 .

The Constitution’s Clause 1 of Section 10 of Article I is an example of powers specifically prohibited to the states.

Low-information patriots are dealing with multiple lose canons with respect to what they perceive to be their “inalienable” constitutional rights, eminent domain controversies an example, because they are not being taught the Founding States' division of state and federal government powers as enumerated in the Constitution.

in fact, as much as citizens didn’t want to see Terri Schiavo starved to death, and with all due respect to Florida FReepers, I wouldn't be surprised if concerned citizens of Florida haven’t lifted a finger to work with their state lawmakers to make 10th Amendment-protected state laws which are more friendly to people like Terri because they still haven’t learned about the constitutional division of state and federal powers.

211 posted on 08/10/2015 11:34:24 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Gaffer

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212 posted on 08/10/2015 12:04:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: wildbill
You Trumpsters will have to rationalize this one if you can.

There seems to be no limit to that ability.

213 posted on 09/01/2015 11:18:50 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
You Trumpsters will have to rationalize this one if you can.

There seems to be no limit to that ability.

Wishful thinking.

Actually, there's no need for rationalization. You see, nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to agree with any candidate's position on every single issue.

Ted Cruz is a perfect example. I support him, yet I categorically disagreed with him on some issues relating to the recent trade agreement and the associated "fast track" authority thet proponents insisted was necessary.

Eminent domain might very well be one of several issues with which I vehemently disagree with Donald Trump.

That doesn't invalidate my agreement with him on other issues, nor does it imply that he would be a bad President.

Feel free to keep trying to cause turmoil, however. Trump's media detractors and their arch-conservative purist allies don't seem to have much else that is working.

I suspect that the reason for that is because an individual is much more than the sum of his various parts: personality, issue positions, prejudices, and so on.

If I believe a candidate truly loves his country, marches to the beat of his own drum, and will make good on some of his stated pledges, then I'm willing to overlook other areas where I might disagree.

Holding a certain opinion on eminent domain is not some kind of litmus test, last time I checked.

Personally, I think Ted Cruz would make a great President. But for different reasons, I happen to think that Donald Trump would also make a great President. Indeed, I wouldn't mind if they ran together, and I'm not going to get hysterical about which of them would appear at the top of the ticket.

One thing I am sure of, though, is that all the naysayers about Trump are seriously missing what's happening here. Trump is a candidate who can draw voters from many different points on the political spectrum, and that, in and of itself, has the makings of an electoral landslide. And any electoral landslide which obliterates the Democratic nominee will be an unqualified blessing.

I'd love to see some other GOP candidates, such as Cruz, catch fire. But if they don't, it's going to be Trump, and we could certainly do much worse, IMHO. Romney or McCain, for instance.

The "sky is falling" gnashing of teeth from both the lamestream media and hysterical conservative purists is truly entertaining, and I expect it to continue to be.

Go Cruz! But, if it's not him, then I say more power to Trump.

Anti-establishment, anti-uniparty, anti-PC is what is going to carry the day this time around. The silent majority will be heard.

Don't worry, you'll still be welcome even if you jump on the Trump bandwagon at the last minute. And, if it comes to that, you will jump on board.

Anybody but the Democratic nominee, Romney, Bush, or Graham will be acceptable to me. And this is coming from somebody who had Jeb as governor of my state.

214 posted on 09/02/2015 12:05:43 AM PDT by sargon
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To: sargon
You see, nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to agree with any candidate's position on every single issue.

Definitely agree with that.

There are still minimum standards of integrity and principles. Otherwise their stated positions can't be trusted and become irrelevant. Trump is in this category - very obviously I believe.

If I believe a candidate truly loves his country…

Trump has sacrificed what is good for his country for what is good for Trump many times in the past. What he truly loves is power, fame, attention, money. This is the one constant in his public life.

I happen to think that Donald Trump would also make a great President.

I disagree for the reasons above.

Trump is a candidate who can draw voters from many different points on the political spectrum, and that, in and of itself, has the makings of an electoral landslide.

He's already peaked. Just as he did last election season. I do definitely consider electability when supporting a candidate; but, Trump fails here also.

Thanks very much for your time in thoughtful reply.

215 posted on 09/02/2015 10:12:02 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: sargon
I wanted to reply to this point separately:

Eminent domain might very well be one of several issues with which I vehemently disagree with Donald Trump.

Anyone who supports Kelo cannot be a constitutional-small government - individual rights conservative. Remember Trump tried to do the same thing: use his own power to manipulate government to trample the rights of an individual.

His statement on Mount McKinley /Denali reinforced it for me. It is a dictator mindset. I'm not saying you support dictatorship, please don't misinterpret my point here; but the signs could not be clearer.

Trump, IMHO, has the attitude that he will use his power for good; but he does not have the grounding in conservative principles that the president should not have that power. As regards constitutional limited-government conservatism, Trump is by far the worst candidate we have.

Thanks again for your post.

216 posted on 09/02/2015 10:38:13 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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