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Samuel DuBose: body-camera video shows 360-degree view of police killing
The Guardian ^ | July 31, 2015 | The Guardian

Posted on 07/31/2015 7:03:21 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative

A synced-up video of body camera footage from three University of Cincinnati police officers – Ray Tensing, Phillip Kidd and David Lindenschimdt – reveals the dramatic aftermath of the police shooting of a 43-year-old unarmed black man.

It shows that both officers were behind Tensing at the time he shot DuBose, but both backed claims the officer had been 'dragged'. These claims were used to justify the shooting, but were later dismissed as false by the county prosecutor who charged Tensing with murder. Kidd and Lindenschimdt have also been placed on leave

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abuseofpower; bodycamera; cincinnati; donutwatch; dubose; leo; ohio; samueldebose
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1 posted on 07/31/2015 7:03:22 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

He had a car. Not unarmed.


2 posted on 07/31/2015 7:04:48 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
body-camera video shows 360-degree view of police killing

IMAX?

3 posted on 07/31/2015 7:07:19 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

I honestly can’t tell what is going on at the critical and following moments in that/those videos.


4 posted on 07/31/2015 7:07:37 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: DesertRhino

I hope this officer gets the quality of legal defense the Cleveland officers did.


5 posted on 07/31/2015 7:08:04 AM PDT by grania
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To: DesertRhino
He had a car. Not unarmed.

I have a car. Can they shoot me just because I drive away from a traffic stop?

6 posted on 07/31/2015 7:10:49 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Tensing should get the death penalty.


7 posted on 07/31/2015 7:11:04 AM PDT by Mr Apple (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCrO2SPsYjI)
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To: DesertRhino
He had a car. Not unarmed.

So anytime a police officer shoots a man in a car he is justified?

8 posted on 07/31/2015 7:11:23 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Maceman
I honestly can’t tell what is going on at the critical and following moments in that/those videos.

But I believe that the body cam clearly shows that the officer was not dragged by the car. Regardless of what the three police officers say. If he wasn't being dragged then were is the threat that justified using deadly force?

9 posted on 07/31/2015 7:12:26 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

This was a University of Cincinnati policeman. He had dropped out of the Ohio Highway Patrol after one day. The officer stopped the victim off campus for not having a front license plate. This was not his first incident off campus.

Joe Deters, the Hamilton County Prosecutor, is a very fair and conservative person. Mr. Deters is leading the prosecution himself because he claims the officer’s actions were despicable and pure and simple murder. Mr. Deters has a long history of being extremely tough on crime.


10 posted on 07/31/2015 7:16:44 AM PDT by stoneyhll (If I am to err, let me err on the side of freedom)
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To: DoodleDawg

Hey, here’s a novel idea. Just do what the cop tells you and you won’t get shot.


11 posted on 07/31/2015 7:16:58 AM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

This is another case in which the facts are not relevant. The video can be edited anyway either side wants in order to get the results they need.
There are four words that explain why the city/county will prosecute, convict and jail the former police officer. and probably fire the other tow cops who witnessed the incident.

From Wikipedia
Black Population forty five(44.8%)precedent.

I call it, “Collateral Damage in the interest of Public Safety”


12 posted on 07/31/2015 7:17:39 AM PDT by Tupelo (Corrupt politician McCain trumps war hero McCain.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

It LOOKS like the cops did the typical CYA and were so stupid that they forgot that video now exists. People have gotten fed up with the cops lying about stuff for awhile and they have NO GOODWILL left. none.

Some are great but unfortunately there is a large minority that are watching too much “tough cop” shows on TV and movies, so that they have to be “kicking ass” when a lot of times a firm but calm mature person can defuse a situation. I’ve seen a cop show the most patience with a verbally abusive POS and basically gave the perp the choice to go to jail or behave, he chose jail and wasn’t shot but also wasn’t allowed to hurt anybody , because the cop had the presence of mind to have back up and handled the man as he said he would.

I’ve also seen where cops have to subdue someone and I’m glad I’m not a cop because I believe that I’d of lost my cool and hurt someone.

Can we just say that the two cops lied to protect their buddy and that the initial cop shot the man in the head for a traffic violation?


13 posted on 07/31/2015 7:17:42 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitante)
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To: DoodleDawg
-- Can they shoot me just because I drive away from a traffic stop? --

Yes. There are at least two ways for the state to do this and be excused. One is the rationale given in this case, which will be argued in court unless the cop cops a plea, which is basically to be in fear of serious personal injury or death. Although in a fact pattern like this, shooting the driver does not stop the car, so from a purely logical standpoint, the component of "did it to protect myself" is absent. No matter, the law is exceptionally adept at defying logic.

The other way is for the state to claim that it believed the person fleeing poses a threat to others. The belief can be false, that is no matter. The test of "belief" is one of good faith, and in this case, the argument is that people who drive cars missing a front license plate, who do not submit to orders, are believed to be a threat.

In hindsight, this cop (these cops, all of whom lied about "being dragged") would have been better off adopting the second argument.

14 posted on 07/31/2015 7:18:00 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: grania
I hope this officer gets the quality of legal defense the Cleveland officers did.

What he needs is the quality of the prosecutor in the Cleveland case. In that case the prosecutor handed down an indictment guaranteed to result in an innocent verdict. I doubt that will be the case in this instance.

15 posted on 07/31/2015 7:18:13 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
I have a car. Can they shoot me just because I drive away from a traffic stop?

You're kidding right? But don't worry. They can't kill you more than once.

16 posted on 07/31/2015 7:18:35 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility)
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To: Prince of Space
Hey, here’s a novel idea. Just do what the cop tells you and you won’t get shot.

Yes, because the penalty for disrespecting a police officer is summary execution on the side of the road.

17 posted on 07/31/2015 7:20:55 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Cboldt
One is the rationale given in this case, which will be argued in court unless the cop cops a plea, which is basically to be in fear of serious personal injury or death.

Nonsense. He was to one side of the car, in no danger of being run over, and was not dragged. THere was no threat to his safety.

The other way is for the state to claim that it believed the person fleeing poses a threat to others. The belief can be false, that is no matter. The test of "belief" is one of good faith, and in this case, the argument is that people who drive cars missing a front license plate, who do not submit to orders, are believed to be a threat.

Yes, go to court on that defense. See how well he does.

18 posted on 07/31/2015 7:21:23 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Mr Apple

Yeah, right. Cause Black Lives Matter!


19 posted on 07/31/2015 7:21:32 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility)
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To: Responsibility2nd
You're kidding right? But don't worry. They can't kill you more than once.

Once is enough. Apparently it's open season on citizens.

20 posted on 07/31/2015 7:22:55 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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