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American Hunter Killed Cecil, Beloved Lion That Was Lured Out of Its Sanctuary
New York Times ^ | July 28, 2015 | By KATIE ROGERS

Posted on 07/29/2015 1:09:51 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

Cecil, a 13-year-old lion, wandered out of his sanctuary in a national park in Zimbabwe this month, following the scent of a potential snack.

At the other end of Cecil’s search was a lure, placed there by hunters who, conservationists say, wanted their prey to cross into unprotected territory so they could kill him.

Cecil, well known to those who visited the Hwange National Park in western Zimbabwe for his jet black mane, was beheaded, according to conservation officials. His corpse was left to rot in the sun.

Zimbabwean officials said that Dr. Walter J. Palmer, an American hunter known for killing big game with a bow and arrow, killed Cecil, and was being sought on poaching charges.

Johnny Rodrigues of the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force said Cecil was lured out of a protected game preserve one night in early July by a hunting party that tied a dead animal to a car.

The first shot, which the authorities say came from Dr. Palmer’s crossbow, was not enough to kill the lion. Cecil was tracked for nearly two days before Dr. Palmer killed him with a gun. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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To: 762X51

Having a soft spot for a beautiful animal does not make one a commie/leftie/dem. It just doesn’t. The animal was collared if what I read is true. I don’t think most of us have any problem with big game hunting if it is done to the letter of the law.


81 posted on 07/29/2015 6:43:57 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: 762X51
Lots of touchy, feely leftist types on this thread that have absolutely NO IDEA how the big game hunting process works. There wouldn’t be a lion or elephant left on this planet if not for big game hunters willing to pay big bucks to harvest a trophy. The massive fees they pay to shoot old, non breeding animals is used to run the preserves. A lot of the comments on this thread sound like sniveling, bitter, envious old ladies! You people sound like damned Communist/Leftist/Democrats projecting YOUR biases onto others.

Lots of touchy, feely leftist types on this thread that have absolutely NO IDEA how the big game hunting ABORTION process works. There wouldn’t be a lion or elephant BABY left on this planet if not for big game hunters STEM CELL COMPANIES willing to pay big bucks to harvest a trophy. The massive fees they pay to shoot old, non breeding animals OBTAIN FETAL TISSUE is used to run the preserves FIND A CURE FOR CANCER AND HEART DISEASE. A lot of the comments on this thread sound like sniveling, bitter, envious old ladies CHIRSTIANS! You people sound like damned Communist/Leftist/Democrats CHRISTIAN FANATICS projecting YOUR biases onto others.

82 posted on 07/29/2015 6:45:59 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Resistance to Tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: P-Marlowe; 762X51
762x51's post regarding African big-game hunting is factually correct.

P-Marlowe's attempt to "correct" it is factually INcorrect.

83 posted on 07/29/2015 6:52:15 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: NorthMountain

If this creep was an abortionist rather than a dentist, would you still approve of his method of killing this magnificent “specimen?”


84 posted on 07/29/2015 6:57:09 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Resistance to Tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: ComputerGuy

“I despise trophy hunters and trophy fishermen; I always have.”

Ditto. I spent 20 years in Alaska where trophy hunting was a main pastime. It seemed that the guys who had the biggest trophy rooms and were obsessed with the “sport” were seriously lacking in other areas, e.g., personality, ethics, empathy on a human level, and possibly anatomically (can’t speak to that one first-hand).

The trophy fishermen.. just weird.

I’m not against hunting for food when necessary. Dad was a poor country preacher, so I’ve had more than my share of deer, rabbit, and squirrel. But killing any creature for fun? Some messed-up wiring.

Also, if the over-population of a certain type of animal is a threat to the human population, then you do what you have to do. But you don’t enjoy it. This old pitiful lion was not a threat.

“Bless the beasts and the children for in this world they have no voice; they have no choice.”


85 posted on 07/29/2015 7:00:09 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: P-Marlowe
Your question is irrelevant.

Legal hunting, whether in Africa or North America, provides funds and incentive to maintain the hunted species and their habitat.

The abortion industry and its parasites in the pharmaceutical industry do not provide funds to maintain the human species in existence.

Your attempted analogy is false.

Case closed.

86 posted on 07/29/2015 7:04:24 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: 762X51

87 posted on 07/29/2015 7:07:08 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: miss marmelstein

The way I read it was it had been collared. At one time. It was removed. Also, we know that “Cecil” was targeted? I doubt it. “He” just happened to be a Lion that responded to the bait. Which was legal. I doubt if the hunter knew it was any special lion when he shot it.

Authorities are citing the P.H. for not having a permit for Lion on that particular property. If true, I’m sure they will be fined. But as far as how the hunt was run it was nothing unusual.

Many don’t like that any Lion be killed. That’s called an opinion. Or more like an emotional reaction. That’s what lefty’s do. Which is why the pushback on the other side.

As has been stated earlier, if not for the despised “Trophy Hunter” there would not be an Elephant, Lion, Rhino, Leopard, Cape Buffalo, etc. etc. etc. left in Africa. And that’s just a fact. But as someone once said: You can’t stand the truth!!!!


88 posted on 07/29/2015 7:12:27 AM PDT by saleman (?)
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To: Bobalu
"I’m now in a rural community, most everyone gets their deer during deer season, I’m fine with that as they consume the meat. I eat chicken, beef, pork..etc So I realize I am the same as the hunter that kills for food.....just a little more separated from the prey... but morally, I am exactly the same as the hunter. I am not a hypocrite! I admit I am the same as the hunter."

Actually you are not the same as a trophy hunter. The meat was left to rot.

89 posted on 07/29/2015 7:18:29 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: P-Marlowe
I don't defend this man's poaching and violation of hunting laws. He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I also don't equate any animal life to being on an equal footing with human life.
90 posted on 07/29/2015 7:25:31 AM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. – Robert Heinlein)
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To: ComputerGuy
I despise trophy hunters and trophy fishermen

And we despise you too! I notice that this type of self righteousness is usually a very egocentric position rooted in a personal comparison level of acceptableness based on a human's size, beauty, lifespan etc. By that I mean a person who despises another for catching a 1000 pound Black Marlin doesn't show the same contempt for a fisherman who tosses a couple left over bait minnows out on the ground. They are both fish, why should the catching and killing of the Marlin be any more abhorrent than the killing of the minnows? The answer is because of their sizes and lifespans relative to humans. Egocentric individuals perceive anything bigger to be somehow more noble and more valuable.

Why do some people object to cutting down a single 400 year old oak tree when million of acres of corn are cut and harvested every year. Because when compared to a human lifespan 400 years is a long time and there will be another crop of corn next year but other than a comparison to a human lifespan harvesting corn and cutting an oak are exactly the same thing. Why is trapping mice in a cruel, neck breaking device simply to better your life by keeping them out of your pantry any different than shooting elephants that are eating your village's crops? Honestly there is no difference it's just that elephants are large compared to humans and live much longer than mice so it is considered detestable.

Why is it that while observing a beautiful butterfly that you'd never consider harming, you'll stomp a cockroach without a second thought? Again the answer is based in egocentrism; The butterfly is beautiful the cockroach isn't. And so it is with the lion. The lion is both noble and beautiful says the superior egocentrist and we should hate those who kill it. This is VERY similar to the mental illness that possesses liberals and their self righteous views they wish to force on others.
91 posted on 07/29/2015 7:28:15 AM PDT by 762X51
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To: Bobalu; All

I can understand controlling animal population, I just don’t understand how it is fun to kill something. I’d kill to feed my family but it would never be any fun.

If hunters found it “fun” to kill, they could just get a job at a slaughterhouse.

Hunting is about much more than killing. If you really want to understand it, read “Meditations on Hunting” by Jose Otega Y Gasset.

http://www.amazon.com/Meditations-Hunting-Jose-Ortega-Gasset/dp/1932098534/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1438180170&sr=1-2&refinements=p_27%3AJos%C3%A9+Ortega+y+Gasset


92 posted on 07/29/2015 7:31:53 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: 762X51

Ding Ding! We have a winner! Spot on!


93 posted on 07/29/2015 7:33:52 AM PDT by Solson (Grand Old Party 1854 - 2010 RIP.)
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To: Lopeover
If I was his one of his patients I would quit him. Does anyone know his political leanings? Is he a democrat or Republucan?

His business and reputation are getting destroyed on social media. People have posted signs on the doors of his office calling him a coward and a killer.

I'll be surprised if he has a practice to return to.

As far as political leanings, let's see; self employed, wealthy enough to enjoy his hobby of trophy hunting across the globe. I'm going to guess he didn't vote for Obama.

94 posted on 07/29/2015 7:36:18 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Brad from Tennessee
I was unprepared for how pissed off Dr. Walter J. Palmer's vainglorious escapade made me yesterday and I spent the day wishing I'd not read about him and Cecil. Now, I'm mad all over again.

Dr. Walter J. Palmer's killing Cecil is worse to me than the stories of out of control cops shooting people's dogs.

The only "good" thing to come from this is now the world knows his name, what he did and where he lives.

Best of luck, doc.

95 posted on 07/29/2015 7:42:13 AM PDT by GBA (Just a hick in paradise)
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To: P-Marlowe; All

“I don’t see how anyone can defend this guy. He knew this lion was in a protected area and then lured the animal away for the sole purpose of killing it and decapitating it.”

Was that illegal? It might be, but Zimbabwe’s government is hardly one that I would rely on for standards of legality.

This is typical anti-hunting propaganda being pushed by the New York Times.

The hunter said that he relied on the people that he hired to be sure that the hunt was legal. That is the nature of hunting in another country.

What possible reason is there for outrage over an animal being decapitated. Virtually all animals killed by humans are decapitated.

Hundreds of millions of chickens, cows, pigs, rabbits, deer, bear, all decapitated. Most of them, unlike this lion, do not have their heads preserved.

What possible difference does it make that an animal is decapitated?


96 posted on 07/29/2015 7:43:58 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Vermont Lt
But to pay $50k? That’s not in my blood.

Mine, neither. I, personally, do not pursue animals for trophies. I hunt for food, or to eliminate a threat. If I ever catch a record fish, it will be by accident, not design.

Since 1986, the annual auction of one Bighorn Sheep license in North Dakota (self-guided hunt) has raised over a million dollars for the Game and Fish department. The at auction record for that one permit was $75,000.00 in 2013.

Consider, however, much of the westward expansion was initially fur trappers, and that those who buy licenses for trophy hunting here, and especially in Africa do much to fund conservation efforts for the very species they hunt.

In that regard, they ensure the future of animals which might be regarded as a nuisance or threat by making them a valuable (and largely self-funding) managed resource.

Without that, many of these creatures might have been hunted to extinction.

Had this particular lion been known only for its propensity to invade villages and haul off livestock and small children instead of being the photogenic dandy of the Reserve, this discussion would have an entirely different tone.

If the Dentist, believed he was conducting a legal hunt and had placed his faith in his guides to conduct the hunt in a lawful manner, I can't blame him so much as the guides. I can fault him for a crappy shot.

BTW, Removing the hide and head ("cape")of a 'trophy' animal is common practice, and usually the locals get the meat as part of the deal. Even otherwise, nothing in nature is wasted, something eats what is left.

97 posted on 07/29/2015 7:45:54 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Drew68

Don’t be surprised if he did, though. It’s a very leftist state.

My family hunted. But you know, there was a code. The deer weren’t penned in or lured off a sanctuary. And intact we (my family) don’t need to hunt for food any more here in U.S. Take pictures of them now.

The dentist should have thought of the consequences for his self agrandising behavior. Not a lot of these great animals left. This guy epitomizes the ugly American.


98 posted on 07/29/2015 7:47:43 AM PDT by Lopeover (My vote is valuable, you must earn it.)
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To: 762X51

Another winning post. You are on a role.


99 posted on 07/29/2015 7:48:50 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Lopeover

It is, especially around the cities. Get into the rural areas, and like most of America, the conservatism comes out. My granddaughter harvested her first black bear there at 14.


100 posted on 07/29/2015 7:51:10 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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