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American Hunter Killed Cecil, Beloved Lion That Was Lured Out of Its Sanctuary
New York Times ^ | July 28, 2015 | By KATIE ROGERS

Posted on 07/29/2015 1:09:51 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

Cecil, a 13-year-old lion, wandered out of his sanctuary in a national park in Zimbabwe this month, following the scent of a potential snack.

At the other end of Cecil’s search was a lure, placed there by hunters who, conservationists say, wanted their prey to cross into unprotected territory so they could kill him.

Cecil, well known to those who visited the Hwange National Park in western Zimbabwe for his jet black mane, was beheaded, according to conservation officials. His corpse was left to rot in the sun.

Zimbabwean officials said that Dr. Walter J. Palmer, an American hunter known for killing big game with a bow and arrow, killed Cecil, and was being sought on poaching charges.

Johnny Rodrigues of the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force said Cecil was lured out of a protected game preserve one night in early July by a hunting party that tied a dead animal to a car.

The first shot, which the authorities say came from Dr. Palmer’s crossbow, was not enough to kill the lion. Cecil was tracked for nearly two days before Dr. Palmer killed him with a gun. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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To: Lopeover; All

From Lopover:

Is that why their on the endangered species list?

Marktwain replies:

African lions are not on the official endangered species list by the U.S. government.

If they were to be put on the list, endangered species lists are commonly political, not scientific.

The best way to preserve species is to make them economically viable. The most effective, proven way to do that is through legal trophy hunting. That makes their habitat economically viable. Habitat destruction is the big threat to species, not legal hunting.


121 posted on 07/29/2015 9:53:02 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Caipirabob

BECAUSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF THREADS FOR THAT!!!

YES All caps.

None of us like abortion, but it DOSEN’T NEED TO BE BROUGHT UP IN EVERY THREAD!


122 posted on 07/29/2015 10:02:31 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: kaila

“In 2009, Dr. Palmer, a dentist from Minnesota, paid $45,000 at an auction to help preserve an elk habitat in California.”

It sounds like he actually cares about animals. I’m wondering what PETA donated to save Elk habitat?

“I had no idea that the lion I took was a known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt,” Dr. Palmer said. “I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt.”

Based on that statement he may or may not have still been collared. He sure didn’t known who “Cecil”(really?) was.

There have also been statements that he is being sought for poaching. Which, based on the facts he did not do.

He went on a guided hunt in Africa. He killed a lion. If the P.H. did something illegal, and that’s in dispute, then they will be fined. Destroying a man’s life for this is not even in the realm of reasonable.


123 posted on 07/29/2015 10:05:08 AM PDT by saleman (?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I hope he dies after 40 hours of slow bleeding.

Hunting I see; letting an animal suffer makes one subhuman.


124 posted on 07/29/2015 10:07:18 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: RedStateRocker

I agree!


125 posted on 07/29/2015 10:11:52 AM PDT by angcat
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To: saleman

I have mixed feelings about this. When you are on a guided hunt, you have to trust the guides to know the rules.
Luring animals out of national parks is considered poaching. I can sympathize with him if he did not know that rule. The guides should have known, but the lure of $50,000 blinded them.
Hunting animals, when you do not eat the meat is wasteful. That is where my sympathy for him diminishes.From what I have read, lion populations are decreasing. If there is a need to cull the herds, the government should be the legal body to sell the appropriate permits to shoot them in the parks.
When I went to S Africa, I thought that I would see them roaming free, but they all reside in the parks.These lions are park property. The hunters stole this lion. Whether this dentist knew that or not remains to be seen.


126 posted on 07/29/2015 10:12:46 AM PDT by kaila
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To: Bobalu

Congratulations, you’re a higher lifeform than some twerp who has to kill something to feel like a man.


127 posted on 07/29/2015 10:14:25 AM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: dowcaet

If Cecil was a fetus would it generate this much outrage?


128 posted on 07/29/2015 10:32:07 AM PDT by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

129 posted on 07/29/2015 10:53:59 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Carl Vehse

TRUTH!


130 posted on 07/29/2015 10:55:54 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: saleman

I’m actually getting sick of the topic since the dentist is being targeted for death by the insane Brits on FB.

From what I read, no one knows how the collar was removed and apparently it was a bit of a beloved pal to tourists. Perhaps he was being fed by the researchers. My 21 year old cat has no teeth but she still wants to live.


131 posted on 07/29/2015 10:57:57 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: kaila

So the poachers took off the collar? This lion sounds like a house pet.


132 posted on 07/29/2015 11:00:29 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: miss marmelstein

From what I have read, the hunters took the collar off, and the lion was tame. How tame, who knows? I bet it is hard to really tame a lion.
The landowner is black, and I think, again from what I have read, he was responsible to obtain a permit to hunt on his land. He did not get the permit. I wonder if that was his land originally, or stolen from a white farmer?


133 posted on 07/29/2015 11:14:15 AM PDT by kaila
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To: kaila
I'm getting really upset at the vicious calls for this man to die. As I said earlier, the Brits are insane, absolutely insane on the subject of animal cruelty. Bring an American into the scenario and you have a conflagration of hate!
134 posted on 07/29/2015 11:30:32 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: RedStateRocker
Hunting I see; letting an animal suffer makes one subhuman.

You don't know what you are talking about. Have you ever had to track a wounded animal, not to mention a massive predator? Do you have any idea what that even means?

135 posted on 07/29/2015 11:53:19 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

40 hours for it to die? Do YOU have any idea of what that even means?
40 hours?


136 posted on 07/29/2015 12:06:32 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: RedStateRocker
40 hours for it to die? Do YOU have any idea of what that even means? 40 hours?

It probably means that the lion's wound was marginally severe, that the lion went into deep brush (which all injured animals do), and that it is terrifically hard to track in such a condition, especially with the very real chance that the lion will retaliate. THAT they tracked it down and finished it was the right thing to do. That it took a while to do that shows quite a bit of character... Character that you would malign.

137 posted on 07/29/2015 12:18:33 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

Lion hunting is dangerous. Anti-hunting types continually claim that it is not.

Then, when it actually turns out to *be* dangerous, as in tracking a massive, wounded cat in heavy cover, the anti-types complain about it taking “too long”.

They would complain even more if the hunters had *not* tracked down and killed the wounded lion.

It is not about logic, not about rationality. It is all about emotions of people who have been indoctrinated in the notion that animals are just superior people in fuzzy suits.

I feel for those people. Having to endure the negative emotions created by their indoctrination must be extremely painful.


138 posted on 07/29/2015 12:31:09 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

That’s why I hunt mosquitos..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZvT3MHpffk


139 posted on 07/29/2015 12:32:37 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: marktwain
Lion hunting is dangerous. Anti-hunting types continually claim that it is not

I would correct that notion: ALL hunting is dangerous... Lion hunting is extremely dangerous. Lion hunting with a crossbow is incredibly dangerous. Hunting a wounded animal, especially a large predator, is insanely dangerous.

[...] It is all about emotions of people who have been indoctrinated [...]

I would agree... Or at least low information... Most I would reckon never hunted in their lives, and have not the first clue about what they are saying, or perhaps some have hunted coons down in the holler, or deer out in the hay field... Most, I'd bet, have never set foot in deep wilderness and don't have a clue about how it works. Most, I dare say have no idea what it takes to track an animal, not to mention a wounded animal... Not to mention a monstrous wounded predator in thick brush...

140 posted on 07/29/2015 12:57:08 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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