Posted on 07/20/2015 6:13:58 AM PDT by Hostage
Towards the end of the video where John McCain's betrayals are exposed By Vietnam Vets And POWs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hr37eE0nO8&feature=youtu.be
are found the remarks of former Congressman Dornan's which are accurate and highly plausible but are missing a vital part that deconstructs John McCain's character and the myth about his 'heroism'.
Here's the context with reference in italics to the Hanoi Hilton's POW Commanding Officer Admiral James Stockdale in his own words:
Admiral (then a USN Captain) Stockdale and all other POWs inside the Hanoi Hilton confirmed the only way to come home early was if Admiral Stockdale granted permission; there was no other way around it. There were very few early releasees. One was a Seaman Apprentice named Douglas Hegdahl III who had spent night and day memorizing the names of 256 aviators into a rhyme and jingle. He was ordered to be an early release because he had those names to pass on to his debriefer when he got home.
McCain was never ordered to early release although the enemy offered it to him. He refused because of the standing order given by his POW Commanding Officer James Stockdale. Many have construed this refusal as of his own volition. He did obey the order and the consequence of not obeying the order was well-described by Congressman Dornan.
From Admiral Stockdale's book p.254:
There was little concern in any American's mind about the possibility of the Vietnamese throwing anybody out to defame him; we now knew the Vietnamese well enough to be sure that any early releasee would have to buy his way out by groveling on his knees before the Communists, bad-mouthing America. I gave their new release program a name: FRP -- the "Fink Release Program," and that was the way it was to be known. I also issued an order that started on its way to the other cell blocks of Las Vegas and with subsequent movers to the camps elsewhere in the city and outside it: "No early release; we all go home together".
John McCain's betrayals Exposed By Vietnam Vets And POWs:
http://www.heritageactionscorecard.com/members/member/M000303
McCain’s damage comes less from his voting record than from his willingness to accept the liberal side in public debate.
McCains lifetime ACU based on 32 years in office is 82.13 percent. Looking back over the past decade, the numbers vary widely, and spiked during his 2010 primary challenge.
2006 65 percent
2007 80 percent
2008 63 percent
2009 96 percent
2010 100 Percent (as he faced primary challenger J.D. Hayworth)
2011 80 percent
2012 92 percent
2013 52 percent
2014 91 percent
Republicans in his own state officially censured him in 2014, the year he claims a lofty conservative rating. Since the censure reports have surfaced that McCain and his allies have launched a political cleansing of their Arizona leadership, ousting one conservative Republican after another. Politico reported that after the censure, McCains team sought to, unseat conservative activists who hold obscure, but influential, local party offices.
Still, he isn’t a flaming liberal in his votes. He’s also no friend to conservatives. I want him gone, but he isn’t Jimmy Carter...
“You claimed I called the soldiers who stormed Normandy Beach in WWII were not heroes. That is a lie. They are the ones that said it, not I. I said they were heroes and they corrected me.”
And you accepted their correction, and now claim McCain has no business being called a hero. Thus, you have concluded the men storming Normandy were NOT heroes. Or are they? Because if they were heroes, then McCain qualifies. Which is it? You cannot have it both ways.
The political establishment and their sycophants in the media have made it into a myth as evidence of his ‘heroism’.
McCain, after decades of allowing the myth to be perpetrated, finally admits he is not a hero:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3314205/posts
You should seek out information around the web. Even around FR
Here’s another article that discusses the successful hiding by Mccain of the materials
think3institute.blogspot.com/2008/09/number-32-mccain-propaganda-tape.html
You weren't in the Hanoi Hilton, but plenty of men were. Why not do the research and try to find out if the things being said by Vietnam Veterans Against McCain are true?
I did not vote for Willard Romney and continually blasted him as a Left Winger doing a poor impersonation of a Conservative.
Trump’s draft dodging is not even among the top 10 problems with him. The only reason I bring it up is that he belittled POWs with his “I like people who weren’t captured.” remark.
A draft dodger has no standing to demean anyone’s military service. Even Willard wouldn’t do that.
So, you are writing about when McCain and Kerry were in the Senate.
You simply cannot follow the conversation.
The conversation is about being in the war and being captured.
Is that “ heroic?” I guess in the definition of the late 20th century it was. it was not in my opinion. But he WAS there. Trump was not.
Same can be said of all other POWs that were offered early release.
The implication in the headline and article is McStain would have left early if the order was not in place. That is quite a leap and questionable speculation.
Lot to attack McStain over but this is a low blow and unwarranted.
Agree. Well stated.
Again, the claim was no one has done more damage than McCain to the U.S. In the last 40 years and that’s just a garbage claim. It’s political hyperbole and nonsense. I don’t agree with McCain on many things and if you want to attack him politically that’s fine but the claim you someone cannot think of someone who has done more damage to the U.S. Than him can only be made by someone who is completely ignorant or just a complete fool.
In terms of people who have done more damage to the U.S. In the past 3-4 decades McCain doesn’t even make the list let alone be the top man on it. The allegation is preposterous and nothing more than hyperbole and that sort of crap needs to stay at DU not on FR
I did no such thing.”
In that case, please clarify how the accusation against McStain cannot be used against all other POWs that refused early release. Thank you.
Ho real hero would ever claim to be one, and he did not.
I’m no McCain fan, but to you want to spend 20 minutes in the Hanoi Hilton, let along months and years, with a badly broken arm?
Lighten up on the guy. He survived a living hell.
Yes, when is the last time you saw the Left come to the defense of someone in the military? Have you ever seen them come to the defense of anyone who served in Vietnam?
Outside of McCain and Kerry, I don’t remember a single person the Left has defended from Vietnam.
From being happy to foster an atmosphere where people spit on our returning military members to actually defending them?
The Left in our nation is quite clueless. They actually think the public doesn’t notice these things.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_the_United_States_Fighting_Force
Early rease was approved by Stockdale for a young guy that basically fell overboard and he was released to make sure names of POWs were known.
Many other POWs were offered early release and they all refused. Did that make then all “stupid.”
Well said.
...... and he never said he was.
Imagine living in that hell hole (I was there in ‘08) with a broken arm that was never set right, and the son of an admiral that every piss ant guard wants to get “street creds” by beating up!
Think about it.
...... and he never said he was.
Imagine living in that hell hole (I was there in ‘08) with a broken arm that was never set right, and the son of an admiral that every piss ant guard wants to get “street creds” by beating up!
Think about it.
Pvt. Garwood
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