Posted on 07/18/2015 4:30:46 PM PDT by VinL
Gov. Scott Walker and other Republican presidential hopefuls have finally had it with Donald Trump.
Wisconsin's Republican governor had repeatedly said he wouldn't criticize the billionaire real estate mogul or other 2016 GOP candidates, but that changed Saturday after Trump took his feud with Arizona Sen. John McCain to a new level.
"He's not a war hero," Trump told the crowd at the Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa. "He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured."
Walker promptly tweeted, "Just told a crowd in Sioux City: @SenJohnMcCain is an American hero."
And Kirsten Kukowski, a Walker campaign spokeswoman, followed up with another tweet adding that Walker said "I unequivocally denounce him" for attacking an American hero.
Other Republican candidates were also quick to condemn Trump's comments.
"John McCain is an American hero," Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal tweeted. "After Donald Trump spends six years in a POW camp, he can weigh in on John McCain's service.
Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and others joined in with swift, sharp criticism of Trump's latest attack on McCain.
Walker had vowed not to criticize, or try to speak for, Trump or other GOP contenders.
"What I've said is that Donald Trump can speak for himself," Walker told reporters after addressing supporters at an Iowa ballpark Friday. "I'm going to answer questions about my positions, not about Donald Trump's or Jeb Bush's or Marco Rubio or anybody else out there."
But on Saturday, Walker called for Trump to apologize to McCain.. "He needs to apologize to Senator McCain and all the other men and women who have worn the uniform," Walker told reporters following a campaign stop in Sioux City. "It's just a disgrace."
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Issue #1 ought to be (from Trump to McQueeg), “Why did you agree to serve as a ringer for the worst Presidential candidate in the history of the republic ? Was he blackmailing you or did you agree with his radical leftist agenda and wanted to make sure no Conservative stopped his coronation ?”
“b. Anyone who HASN’T lived through what we Wisconsinites and Governor Walker have lived through, TAKING OUR STATE BACK from the flat out COMMUNISTS that have tried to DESTROY us, can kiss my @ss.”
Very Well Put!
Donald Trump
I support deporting violent illegals.
I support removing and replacing Obamacare.
I support re-negotiating all foreign trade deals.
I support making our military stronger.
I support Taking better care of Veterans.
Talk is cheap.
Trump was a Republican before he was a Democrat, before he was a Republican again. It is what it is. You could argue, with as much justification as your argument, that he’s been a closet Republican all along but was posing for a while, as a Democrat.
we at FR crucified mitt romney for that. mitt = donald
Exactly. It’s not like the main point, or criticism that Trump was trying to make of McCain was about his war record. He was criticizing McCain for trashing the people at his event. He stopped to comment on McCain’s war hero status because Luntz was trying to imply that criticism of McCain was somehow off limits because of his war status. The left always tries to come up with rules for why Republicans aren’t allowed to make their valid points.
Smith was born in Trenton, New Jersey,...served in the United States Navy Reserve from 1962 to 1965, and was on active duty from 1965 to 1967, including a year in Vietnam. He remained in the Navy Reserve until 1969...Roman Catholicism
Dornan was born in New York City, New York,...Roman Catholic
At age 19, Dornan volunteered to join the United States Air Force. During his time in the USAF, he survived two emergency parachute ejections and two "dead stick" forced landings (including one of an F-100). Dornan also served as a photographer during the Vietnam War and flew relief flights into Biafra. He was an active duty serviceman in USAF until 1958, reaching the rank of Captain.[3] He then served in the Air Force Reserve until 1975.[3]
Bob Dornan took an active role in the civil rights movement. He took part in the historic 1963 March on Washington led by Martin Luther King Jr. The following year he helped register African Americans to vote in Mississippi.[4][5][6]
Dornan was involved in the entertainment industry. He starred in the film The Starfighters, cast as an Air Force pilot whose father is a U.S. congressman. The Starfighters aired on Mystery Science Theater 3000.
In 1962, he portrayed Air Force Lieutenant Alden in the episode "Dennis at Boot Camp" of the CBS sitcom, Dennis the Menace, starring Jay North and Gale Gordon, with Roy Roberts in this segment as Captain Stone.[7]
Dornan had a frequent role as Captain Fowler on ABC's Twelve O'Clock High television series and smaller roles on ABC's Bewitched and NBC's I Dream of Jeannie. Dornan was an Emmy-award winning television talk show host on Tempo and The Robert K. Dornan Show broadcast from Los Angeles from 1967 to 1973.
John McCain was born on August 29, 1936, at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, to naval officer John S. McCain Jr. (1911–1981) and Roberta (Wright) McCain (born 1912)...In 1951, the family settled in Northern Virginia,...Baptist congregant (brought up Episcopalian)[1]
Following in the footsteps of his father and grandfather, McCain entered the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis. There, he was a friend and informal leader for many of his classmates,[11] and sometimes stood up for targets of bullying.[5] He also became a lightweight boxer.[12] McCain did well in academic subjects that interested him, such as literature and history, but studied only enough to pass subjects he struggled with, such as mathematics.[5][13] He came into conflict with higher-ranking personnel and did not always obey the rules, which contributed to a low class rank (894 of 899), despite a high IQ.[11][14] McCain graduated in 1958.[11] Naval training, first marriage, and Vietnam assignment
John McCain's early military career began when he was commissioned an ensign and started two and a half years of training at Pensacola to become a naval aviator.[15] While there, he earned a reputation as a partying man.[7] He completed flight school in 1960, and became a naval pilot of ground-attack aircraft, assigned to A-1 Skyraider squadrons[16] aboard the aircraft carriers USS Intrepid and USS Enterprise[17] in the Caribbean and Mediterranean Seas.[18] McCain began as a sub-par flier[18] who was at times careless and reckless;[19] during the early to mid-1960s, the planes he was flying crashed twice and once collided with power lines, but he received no major injuries.[19] His aviation skills improved over time,[18] and he was seen as a good pilot, albeit one who tended to "push the envelope" in his flying.[19]
On July 3, 1965, McCain married Carol Shepp, a model originally from Philadelphia.[20] McCain adopted her two young children Douglas and Andrew.[17][21] He and Carol then had a daughter named Sidney.[22][23]
McCain requested a combat assignment,[24] and was assigned to the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal flying A-4 Skyhawks.[25] His combat duty began when he was 30 years old, in mid-1967, when Forrestal was assigned to a bombing campaign, Operation Rolling Thunder, during the Vietnam War.[20][26] Stationed in the Gulf of Tonkin, McCain and his fellow pilots became frustrated by micromanagement from Washington, and he would later write that "In all candor, we thought our civilian commanders were complete idiots who didn't have the least notion of what it took to win the war."[26][27]
On July 29, 1967, McCain, by then a lieutenant commander, was near the epicenter of the USS Forrestal fire. He escaped from his burning jet and was trying to help another pilot escape when a bomb exploded;[28] McCain was struck in the legs and chest by fragments.[29] The ensuing fire killed 134 sailors and took 24 hours to control.[30][31] With the Forrestal out of commission, McCain volunteered for assignment with the USS Oriskany, another aircraft carrier employed in Operation Rolling Thunder.[32] Once there, he would be awarded the Navy Commendation Medal and the Bronze Star for missions flown over North Vietnam.[33] Prisoner of war
John McCain's capture and subsequent imprisonment began on October 26, 1967. He was flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi.[34][35] McCain fractured both arms and a leg ejecting from the aircraft,[36] and nearly drowned when he parachuted into Trúc Bạch Lake.[34] Some North Vietnamese pulled him ashore, then others crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt and bayoneted him.[34] McCain was then transported to Hanoi's main Hỏa Lò Prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton".[35]
Although McCain was badly wounded, his captors refused to treat his injuries, beating and interrogating him to get information; he was given medical care only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral.[37] His status as a prisoner of war (POW) made the front pages of major newspapers.[38][39]
McCain spent six weeks in the hospital while receiving marginal care.[34] By then having lost 50 pounds (23 kg), in a chest cast, and with his hair turned white,[34] McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi[40] in December 1967, into a cell with two other Americans who did not expect him to live a week.[41] In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he would remain for two years.[42]
In mid-1968, John S. McCain Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release[44] because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes,[45] and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially.[44] McCain turned down the offer; he would only accept repatriation if every man taken in before him was released as well. Such early release was prohibited by the POW's interpretation of the military Code of Conduct: To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.[34]
In August 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain.[46] He was subjected to rope bindings and repeated beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[34][46] Further injuries led to the beginning of a suicide attempt, stopped by guards.[34] Eventually, McCain made an anti-American propaganda "confession".[34] He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[47][48] Many American POWs were tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements;[49] virtually all of them eventually yielded something to their captors.[50] McCain subsequently received two to three beatings weekly because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.[51]
McCain refused to meet with various anti-war groups seeking peace in Hanoi, wanting to give neither them nor the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory.[52] From late 1969 onward, treatment of McCain and many of the other POWs became more tolerable,[53] while McCain continued actively to resist the camp authorities.[54] McCain and other prisoners cheered the U.S. "Christmas Bombing" campaign of December 1972, viewing it as a forceful measure to push North Vietnam to terms.[48][55]
Altogether, McCain was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five and a half years. He was released on March 14, 1973.[56] His wartime injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.[57] Commanding officer, liaison to Senate, and second marriage White-haired man in thirties sitting in a chair, pack of cigarettes readily available McCain giving an interview to the press on April 24, 1973, after his return from Vietnam. Photo by US News and World Report.
McCain's return to the United States reunited him with his family. His wife Carol had suffered her own crippling ordeal due to an automobile accident in December 1969.[58] McCain became a celebrity of sorts, as a returned POW.[58]
McCain underwent treatment for his injuries, including months of grueling physical therapy,[59] and attended the National War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C. during 1973–1974.[60] Having been rehabilitated, by late 1974, McCain had his flight status reinstated, and in 1976 he became commanding officer of a training squadron stationed in Florida.[58][61] He improved the unit's flight readiness and safety records,[62] and won the squadron its first-ever Meritorious Unit Commendation.[61] During this period in Florida, McCain had extramarital affairs, and the McCains' marriage began to falter, for which he later would accept blame.[63][64]
McCain served as the Navy's liaison to the U.S. Senate beginning in 1977.[65] In retrospect, he has said that this represented his "real entry into the world of politics and the beginning of my second career as a public servant."[58] His key behind-the-scenes role gained congressional financing for a new supercarrier against the wishes of the Carter administration.[59][66]...
McCain decided to leave the Navy. It was doubtful whether he would ever be promoted to the rank of full admiral, as he had poor annual physicals and had been given no major sea command.[68] His chances of being promoted to rear admiral were better, but McCain declined that prospect, as he had already made plans to run for Congress and said he could "do more good there."[69][70] McCain retired from the Navy on April 1, 1981,[71] as a captain.[33] He was designated as disabled and awarded a disability pension.[72] Upon leaving the military, he moved to Arizona. His 17 military awards and decorations include the Silver Star, Legion of Merit, Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star and Navy Commendation Medal, for actions before, during, and after his time as a POW.[33]
Cheap talk is better than NO talk.
Actually the RINO’s are united in giving “LOVE” to the illegals.
Trump is a foreigner who has too few generations of Americans before him. It appears that he’s yet un-assimilated and seems to be more German than American—a New Yorker thing, perhaps. So we see what happens, when Huns or other foreigners are allowed too far into American politics.
Walker is an American, and he’s the only candidate with a real record for cutting big government spending. That’s what so many political folks in both political parties and receiving incomes from government are so afraid of. Their near ancestors didn’t come to America to be Americans. They only came for the money and influence for their old countries.
What you posted on your home page adds an another sad dimension to what I feel!
"neptocracy: ....... A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers."
So just because McCain was an ineffectual pilot and got himself shot down, he is a hero? How many enemy fighter planes did he shoot down? None in your list. Red Baron shot down 80 all by himself.
Most prisoners of war get abused. The Japanese were brutal with captured soldiers. I am sure you have heard of the infamous Bataan death march. How about all those Russians starved to death by the Germans in WW II.
http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/bataan-death-march
We all know wars are brutal. But there is a difference between a war hero and a war victim. Audi Murphy was a war hero. McCain was simply a victim.
Recall the Trump Rosie feud, and his Wrestling (owner) play act.
Trump is a entertainer,He is natural in the mud hole.
He did a call in interview on the Morning Joe last week and said that he will help anyone who praises him. (paraphrasing here) and will go after anyone who is critical of him.
McCain said that Donald Trump has “fired up the crazies” within the Republican Party. Trump loves the mud fight.
The Bushbot GOPe hired gun Lunz did a good job of manurfactoring a "crisis" for the Trump campaign using a classic PC tactic, "but he's a war hero". That the heck did that have to do with the conversation Lunz and Trump where having?
Yall thinking your guy can beat Jeb are in for a rude awakening. The fix (money) is in. The only one that might be able to upset the elites win win scenario of Jeb vrs Hillary is Trump. Knock Trump out and the GOP nominee is Jeb.
‘It appears that he’s yet un-assimilated and seems to be more German than American’
Alright, I’ll play along. In what way is he more German than American?
DIW, I’d had some pleasant exchanges with you in the past. I regret that your current post directed at is particularly unpleasant, but certainly that is sometimes the nature of public forums.
That aside, I decline your invitation to set up a home page or leave the Board. I also respectfully decline your other invitation.
You are out for trying to poseur McCain as a war HERO.
Who appointed you as umpire? This is not baseball.
We are discussing extremely serious issue...wars.
Like I said, McCain was just a war victim, brutalized by enemy captors, not a war HERO.
Red Baron is written in history books as a war hero because he has the record of most enemy planes shot down. Yes, he was an enemy pilot but what he did easily qualifies as HEROIC.
An inept pilot like McCain who could not evade enemy SAM’s, which good pilots did all the time during Vietnam war, is no hero in my book. That is why Museums do not have exhibits depicting McCain as a war hero.
I have a good guess what the next question from RINObot Luntz will be for Trump.
“When did you stop beating your wife Melania?”
Will you say the same thing if next week’s polls indicate Trump’s poll numbers are higher than today?
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