No real scientist believes in creation. 30 Ph.D. scientists help bust this old canard

Creation Ministries International ^ | July 16, 2015 | Gary Bates

[fishtank]

Myth: ‘No real scientist believes in creation’. 30 Ph.D. scientists help bust this old canard

by Gary Bates

Published: 16 July 2015 (GMT+10)

The myth that no real scientist believes in creation has probably been around longer than most reading this have been alive. It should have died a death a long time ago given the wealth of creation material produced by the various creation organizations and the qualified scientists who work for them, let alone the thousands of Bible-believing scientists who work in industry and universities around the world. But it’s a sound bite that the atheists like to use to discredit anyone who attempts to defend the biblical account of creation. Unfortunately, in the age of the Internet, where anyone can post anything at anytime, whether true or false, the myth has found new life. But this is actually a case of playing the man instead of the ball and avoiding the facts that blatantly reveal otherwise.

The real problem is that most Christians have never heard sound evidences or arguments defending Genesis creation and so they are often caught off guard by such ‘elephant hurling’. This is one of the reasons that CMI, in all of its offices around the world, primarily visits churches. Thanks to these visits, many Christians are made aware of, and have access to, the preponderance of creation information.

[dangus]

It’s a good point that any reference to the age of the Earth in the bible is as a reference to extreme age. But the young-earth creationists assertions are based on an admittedly straightforward reading of the sixs day of Genesis. My contradiction to them has always been simply that the bible itself says that to God a day is a thousand (which itself is a figure of speech for a “zillion”) years.

Likewise, the bible says the whole world was flooded in Genesis. But Luke says the entire world was in uproar with King Herod.

From there, I don’t know WHAT you are talking about.

As for me, all I can say is that the universe appears old. But then, I’m sure Adam looked like an adult on the eighth day, not a zygote. I don’t see why “creation scientists” feel the need to prove the Earth doesn’t appear old.

[Ben Ficklin]

[Williams]

Before I even read the article, I know that scientists, with no reference to religion, believe in a mystical, metaphysical creation event which they can’t really explain.

The Big Bang starts with the entire universe existing in a state where time and the rules of physics don’t exist, and the universe to the extent it “exists” at all is incredibly tiny or is a singularity without any dimension.

Then “something” happens for a reason they can’t know and the “universe” explodes into existence during which matter, space, time, and all the rules of physics come into existence for the first time.

In essence, scientists believe in creationism even if they had never heard of religion or God.

[Arm_Bears]

Liberal believe what they want to believe.

Facts don’t matter.

[Just mythoughts]

All souls were created at the same time?? Where is that in the Bible?

I do not have time to quote you every Scripture wherein the Bible instructs us.

I will give you a sample.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Moses did not describe the formation/creation of the 'soul', only that of the flesh vessel wherein the soul was breathed. Breath of life means soul.

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Sons of God are 'souls' not born of woman. Book of Jude.

Jeremiah 1:5 :Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

There is no 'soul' manufacturing plant in heaven. At conception, the soul willing to take this flesh journey is place in the womb. The lesson of John 3 to Nicodemus, 'born from above', not the slogan so many chant, born again. God already knows who He can trust to carry out His will.

Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him That calleth;)

12 It was said unto her, "The elder shall serve the younger." (Quoting Genesis 25:23)

13 As it is written, "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Esau demonstrated in his flesh journey, why God would have it recorded for us to know, it was not baby Esau that was hated. But the 'soul' of Esau for what he did in the first heaven/earth age. Now we are not told IF Esau repented so that is not the purpose of presenting this Scripture. Only God is judge.

Isaiah 14:12 - 32 and Ezekiel 28:11-26 Describe the creation of Lucifer, his sin and his judgment. Only named entity already judged to death. This took place in Genesis 1:2.

[Just mythoughts]

It’s a good point that any reference to the age of the Earth in the bible is as a reference to extreme age. But the young-earth creationists assertions are based on an admittedly straightforward reading of the sixs day of Genesis. My contradiction to them has always been simply that the bible itself says that to God a day is a thousand (which itself is a figure of speech for a “zillion”) years. Likewise, the bible says the whole world was flooded in Genesis. But Luke says the entire world was in uproar with King Herod. From there, I don’t know WHAT you are talking about. As for me, all I can say is that the universe appears old. But then, I’m sure Adam looked like an adult on the eighth day, not a zygote. I don’t see why “creation scientists” feel the need to prove the Earth doesn’t appear old.

There is no proof this earth is young. Just like there is no proof that evolution took place. All are inspired theories and they do not come from God/Words. I guess what else would the 'smart' people be doing if it were not to disprove God?

[noprogs]

My church leadership jumped in with both feet on this Young Earth literal interpretation of the first creation story in Genesis, with a specific emphasis on the six day creation being in six literal 24 hour days. This was allegedly an apologetics tactic. I guess you can speak to more people about God if you say something so idiotic right off the bat that you get laughed out of the room.

Results? People have left the church, excellent Sunday School teachers have quit, and the collective IQ of the congregation has dropped.

Both ends of the Bible are filled with allegory and figurative language. Not even the YEC crowd believes literal scorpions with the hair of women, faces of men and fire shooting from their rears will persecute the earth, as stated by John the Revelator. Their dodge on that is a man seeing the future revealed by God having to describe the events using the only terms he knew.

I believe God revealed the creation process to Moses. Moses looked at the crowd of brick masons, plumbers and goldsmiths and decided to “sum up” using language understood by the crowd.

God is not the author of confusion, but Ken Ham seems to be great at it.

A question for you YEC folk: How do you KNOW the first three days were exactly 24 hours long since the sun was not placed until the third day?

[Just mythoughts]

A question for you YEC folk: How do you KNOW the first three days were exactly 24 hours long since the sun was not placed until the third day?

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning (that is what Genesis means) God created the heaven and the earth.

When I look up into heaven's night sky I see a multitude of stars, sometimes the moon, and even some planets. During the 'day' there is the sun. That is heaven.... created in the beginning.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth became without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep,

And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Christ and Paul refer to this time as the overthrow/casting down... or Greek word 'katabole' translated like in Ephesians 1:4 According as He hath chosen in Him "before the foundation of the world,.....

Genesis 1:3 onward 'days' are a description of the rejuvenation of earth after a supernatural war wherein the devil got himself tossed off the mercy seat... Ezekiel 28:12-

Peter tells us how God counts time... A day in the LORD is as a thousand years... and it would likely take a thousand years for the dust to settle from super volcanic eruptions. The earth's rotation got tilted at some point... and I expect it will be realigned after this flesh age ends.

[freedomlover]

Congratulations!

[chesley]

Well, no offense, but I think you are reading a lot into those verses that just is not there.

I’m no thelogian, and I’m not God’s private secretay, either, so I could well be mistaken; still I’m not seeing it.

The main thing is whether that sould gets saved now.

Cheers.

[fishtank]

Hi. You wrote:

“13 As it is written, “Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.”

Esau demonstrated in his flesh journey, why God would have it recorded for us to know, it was not baby Esau that was hated. But the ‘soul’ of Esau for what he did in the first heaven/earth age. Now we are not told IF Esau repented so that is not the purpose of presenting this Scripture. Only God is judge.”

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Can I ask you what denomination you belong to?

This is a different interpretation than I have ever seen.